quote:

---

Mike to say ahoy at new cruise port
Hugh Son
September 21, 2005

Mayor Bloomberg will greet passengers from the first cruise ship to drop anchor at Brooklyn's new $45 million Red Hook cruise terminal on Saturday, officials said.

Workers scrambled yesterday to finish a temporary facility at Pier 12 for the British ship Oriana, an 853-foot-long vessel from cruise company P & O.

A full-service terminal will be completed by next April, said Jen Falk, spokeswoman for the mayor.

NY Daily News

---

******

Later: Ah, justy checked the email again, and the times are actually 11am - 12 noon GMT. That'll be noon to 1pm BST. It's certainly still dark in the webcam images at the moment (11:10 BST/10:10 GMT)

[ 09-24-2005: Message edited by: Tom Burke ]

Anyone got something earlier as ORIANA was arriving?

******

quote:

---

Originally posted by Patsy:

Why are they moving ships to Brooklyn?

---

By Jess Wisloski
The Brooklyn Papers

A Red Hook cruise ship terminal will not be completed for months, but on Saturday morning, a transatlantic luxury liner will dock, or at least make a pit stop, at Pier 12 off Pioneer Street.

The P & O cruise line's Oriana, a British luxury liner that includes 10 bars, four restaurants, three outdoor pools and a casino, will be arriving from London and escorted by fireboats. It is expected at the pier between 7 am and 7:30 am on Sept. 24.

An invitation sent out this week by the city's Economic Development Corporation encouraged attendees to arrive at the makeshift terminal at 8 am for welcoming remarks by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Borough President Marty Markowitz.

Saturday's surprise docking is likely intended to provide a public relations boost to the mayor's efforts to build a $45 million cruise ship terminal at Pier 12, which is expected to host Carnival and Norwegian cruise line ships starting this April. The mayor, who faces former Bronx Borough President Fernando Ferrer in November’s general election, has been pushing to phase out shipping on the Red Hook piers and replace it with the cruise industry and other commercial ventures.

The new terminal, which will largely handle the overflow and relocation of cruise ships while a $150 million Manhattan berth is being repaired and renovated, is part of an exclusive agreement between the city and the two cruise lines.

Both Norwegian and Carnival have promised to use New York City ports exclusively and pay raised tariff fees through 2017 that would supply $200 million to the city, in exchange for the 10-year West Side renovation project in Manhattan. Last year, the city lost Royal Caribbean to a port just across the harbor from the Red Hook piers, in Bayonne, N.J.

Elected officials, the city, and business groups have promoted the Red Hook deal touting the figure of 600 new jobs being brought to Brooklyn by the cruise industry.

The number was obtained using the Queen Mary II cruise liner, at 1,132 feet the largest in the world, as a model for the size of ship and consequent crew, that would be docking at Pier 12.

Passengers aboard the 853-foot Oriana will not necessarily be disembarking. The EDC would not answer questions about the ship's arrival.

The arrival of the industry brings with it the fear of existing maritime businesses being supplanted by the luxury liners.

Earlier this year, the city forced American Stevedoring Inc. (ASI), a cargo shipping company, off Pier 11, which is being eyed as a potential accessway to the new terminal. But this summer, the same pier was advertised as vacant, and available for interested parties.

With ASI consolidated onto Piers 8-10, the company has said any less would render its Brooklyn operations useless. But the EDC stated at the October hearing its hopes down the line to “morph” Piers 10 and 11, into use exclusively for cruise ships.

Whether that would happen, said EDC Vice President Kate Ascher to council members, depends on the success of the cruise industry at Pier 12." from BrooklynPapers.com

Oriana sits here while the other ships in port today glory in that Manhattan Skyline.

Surely Brit tourists would appreciate more being 'in town' than those on a changeover day. I wasn't able to watch the arrival, but the view above does not look very exciting. I imagine to starboard across Governors Island things look better though. I wonder if we will see much from Oriana's cam tonight. I do wish P&O would fix that tilt, especially after emailing everyone to watch.... pour thing has had quite a list for a few weeks now.

quote:

---

Originally posted by CGT:

Believe me Pam the view "Across Governors Island" doesn't exist, because Governors Island blocks any view. I took a Staten Island Ferry today just so I could get a good view of ORIANA, and it's in a pretty isolated spot, with the island blocking any view of Manhattan,.....

---

As seen from Oriana's webcam, you can see Manhattan Skyline over the Governors Island at left, the East River in the middle and Brooklyn at right.

[ 09-24-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ocean Liners:

As seen from Oriana's webcam, you can see Manhattan Skyline over the Governors Island at left, the East River in the middle and Brooklyn at right.

---

Sure..once they are miles away from it.

Visit here

You may see aerial view of the Governors Island.

The Brooklyn-Battery tunnel ventilation shaft is tallest in the island.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
For those who are interested about the Governors Island.

Visit here

You may see aerial view of the Governors Island.

The Brooklyn-Battery tunnel ventilation shaft is tallest in the island.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

---

The ventilation shaft may be the tallest thing on the island but the island COMPLETELY hides ships parked on the other side of it when viewed from Manhattan, and even from the harbor aboard another craft until you start to get more south along side the island. At that point you can see her funnel and only the very top of the ship. It is only until you get completly past the island that the ship comes into full view. This is why I had to get on the Staten Island Ferry and do a sail past to see her.

When parked, people on board are likely only to get a full view of Brooklyn Heights in the distance and half of the Brooklyn Bridge.

Of course, someone in Japan is going to argue with someone who lives in New York and has fresh first hand experience the day ORIANA was in port.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: CGT ]

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
Oriana's Promenade deck is located on the Deck 7
I believed the ventilation shaft may be same height as Deck 7.
If the scenery from promenade deck is obstructed by the ventilation shaft, Climb up to Upper decks such as Deck 12 or 13.
I think the passenger can enjoy unobstructed view of lower Manhattan.

---

Sure, stand on top of the funnel. There points on the tip of Manhattan from which even the funnel is completely obscured. From any passenger deck you will NOT, repeat NOT get a completely unobstructed view of lower Manhattan.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: CGT ]

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: Ernst ]

I have been waiting to see if anyone aboard Oriana posts to Cruise Connections about it.. the site is so excrutiatingly slow and my patience soon runs thin over there, but it seems so far there are only comments from people initially wondering where Oriana was and why [from the webcam] wasn't she in Manhattan.

quote:

---

Originally posted by CGT:

Sure, stand on top of the funnel. There points on the tip of Manhattan from which even the funnel is completely obscured. From any passenger deck you will NOT, repeat NOT get a completely unobstructed view of lower Manhattan.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: CGT ]

---

The Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel is 9,117-foot-long but including Underneath of Battery Park and Brooklyn Side. however the distance from Battery Park to Pier 12 is about 7,000-foot-long or longer, so if you saw from Ground Level of Battery Park side or lower Staten Island Ferry, as you posted "I took a Staten Island Ferry today just so I could get a good view of ORIANA, and it's in a pretty isolated spot, with the island blocking any view of Manhattan" but this coment came from Staten Island Ferry deck(s) though from Upper Oriana decks, the view is more visible than Ground Level of lower Manhattan or lower Staten Island Ferry deck.

I would like to wait for seeing the photo from Decks of Oriana or QM2.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ocean Liners:

The Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel is 9,117-foot-long but including Underneath of Battery Park and Brooklyn Side. however the distance from Battery Park to Pier 12 is about 7,000-foot-long or longer, so if you saw from Ground Level of Battery Park side or lower Staten Island Ferry, as you posted "I took a Staten Island Ferry today just so I could get a good view of ORIANA, and it's in a pretty isolated spot, with the island blocking any view of Manhattan" but this coment came from Statten Island Ferry deck(s) though from Upper Oriana decks, the view is more visible than Ground Level of lower Manhattan or lower Staten Island Ferry deck.

I would like to wait for seeing the photo from Decks of Oriana or QM2.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

---

Yeah and I'm sure from Japan you can see it all. Why are you such a frigging idiot? The view is NOT free and clear AND even if it WAS, it's NOT THE VIEW PEOPLE WANT OR EXPECT TO SEE!

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: CGT ]

quote:

---

Originally posted by CGT:

Yeah and I'm sure from Japan you can see it all. Why are you such a frigging idiot? The view is NOT free and clear AND even if it WAS, it's NOT THE VIEW PEOPLE WANT OR EXPECT TO SEE!

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: CGT ]

---

Hey, CGT. you have show the photo taken from Deck of Oriana.
You did not Visit Oriana and your threads only from Lower Manhattan or Staten Island Ferry.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ocean Liners:

Hey, CGT. you have show the photo taken from Deck of Oriana.
Oriana's upper deck is higher than any plae on the Grovners Island.
You did not Visit Oriana and your threads only from Lower Manhattan or Staten Island Ferry.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

---

You're just an eccentric idiot, period. You give Dustin Hoffman in "Rainman" a run for the money.

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: CGT ]

quote:

---

Originally posted by CGT:

Why are you such a frigging idiot? The view is NOT free and clear AND even if it WAS, it's NOT THE VIEW PEOPLE WANT OR EXPECT TO SEE!

---

Post form a theory, You are from New York, you would guess the height of the ventilation shaft,

quote:

---

Originally posted by CGT:

Sure..once they are miles away from it.

When it's parked, you ain't seeing much.

The ventilation shaft may be the tallest thing on the island
COMPLETELY hides ships parked on the other side of it when viewed from Manhattan,

---

Oriana's upper decks are higher than any place on the Governors Island and the ventilation shaft is located off the north side of Island. If you see from Oriana's upper decks, look down the island.
The view of the ventilation shaft is small as the photo below:

CGT, As I understand from another topic. Don't be visit to Pier 12 at Brooklyn.

[ 09-26-2005: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

quote:

---

Originally posted by CGT:

You're just an eccentric idiot, period. You give Dustin Hoffman in "Rainman" a run for the money.

---

There's no point arguing with the brochure jockey. Next he'll be telling you what you can and cannot see through your own living room window. He has a lot of data but analysis of same is certainly not his forte, as he has amply shown in this thread and many others.

[ 04-15-2006: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]