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joe at travelpage
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From the AP:


The violin played by the bandmaster of the Titanic as the oceanliner sank has been unearthed, a British auction house said Friday.

Survivors of the Titanic have said they remember the band, led by Wallace Hartley, playing on deck even as passengers boarded lifeboats after the ship hit an iceberg.

Hartley's violin was believed lost in the 1912 disaster, but auctioneers Henry Aldridge & Son say an instrument unearthed in 2006 and has undergone rigorous testing and proven to be Hartley's.

"It's been a long haul," said auctioneer Andrew Aldridge, explaining the find had initially seemed "too good to be true."

The auction house spent the past seven years and thousands of pounds determining the water-stained violin's origins, consulting numerous experts including government forensic scientists and Oxford University.

The auction house said the rose wood instrument has two long cracks on its body, but is "incredibly well-preserved" despite its age and exposure to the sea. It estimated the violin is worth six figures.

Hartley was one of the 1,517 people who perished when the Titanic struck an iceberg 350 miles (565 kilometers) south of Newfoundland on April 15, 1912.

Some reports at the time suggested Hartley's corpse was found fully dressed with his instrument strapped to his body, though there was also speculation the violin floated off and was lost at sea.

Henry Aldridge and Son said it researched the violin's story with a Hartley biographer as the instrument underwent forensic testing, uncovering documents that showed Hartley was found with a large leather valise strapped to him and the violin inside.

The violin apparently was returned to Hartley's grieving fiancée, the auction house said, and later ended up in the hands of the Salvation Army before being given to a violin teacher and ultimately Henry Aldridge & Son.

Testing by the U.K. Forensic Science Service showed corrosion deposits were considered "compatible with immersion in sea water," while a silver expert studied a plate on the violin's neck to determine if it fit the time profile.

Henry Aldridge & Son said the violin will go on public display at the end of the month at Belfast City Hall, less than a mile from where Titanic was built.


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posted 03-16-2013 02:51 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have serious doubts that this is the "actual" violin played by Hartley when Titanic went down. I'd like to know more about the so-called "rigorous testing" they did to confirm this. I think it's a hoax.
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posted 03-18-2013 03:01 AM      Profile for BMWM5        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hartley's body was recovered by the Mackey Bennett on May 4th 1912. His personal effects listed and documented showed some coins and a pocket watch which was given to him by his fiancé. No mention of a violin inside a leather case. I'm sure something that large would have been documented on the list of his personal belongings. I wonder what the resident historians of the THS have to say about this one. Personally I have my doubts. If I were to spend that kind of money for a violin, it better have the name Stradivarius inside.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-18-2013 04:42 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
I have serious doubts that this is the "actual" violin played by Hartley....

Barry, are you suggesting that it is all a fiddle?

(Maybe Clive Palmer built it in China?)

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posted 03-19-2013 11:13 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But was it 'the' violin:

See more here:


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posted 03-19-2013 04:39 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I swear I heard the story of the violin being strapped to the body before this whole who-ha started. I am no Titanic historian but I have read a few books on her, mostly the Walter Lord books and another one from last year that looked at the people more than the events. Maybe I am mistaken or maybe it is a fable that has been around for a while .... but as I said I swear I have heard that part of the story before now.
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joe at travelpage
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posted 03-19-2013 04:59 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, this guy, Nigel Hampson certainly seems to be a skeptic.


“The inventory of items recovered on Wallace's body makes no mention whatsoever of a violin or music case or anything similar being found with him.

“We are supposed to believe that when the ship sinks and everyone, the band included, are fighting for their lives, Wallace is more concerned with the fate of his instrument than his life?

“We are also supposed to believe that the violin survives almost two weeks in the sea and emerges intact?

“The local press in Colne make no mention of his violin whatsoever. If Wallace had indeed been recovered with his violin after the disaster, they would have been all over the story and given it massive coverage.

“This violin clearly is a Wallace Hartley instrument, but to claim that it is the violin that he had with him on the Titanic is preposterous and is not backed up by the historical record.”


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...then again, the violinst on the Costa Concordia, Sandor Feher, reportedly died after trying to retrieve his violin. More here.
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CT Scan

£900, 000

Pam


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posted 10-20-2013 05:06 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An interesting article is here.

"....verifiable items from three different Titanic
victims tested positive for the same type of salt water diatoms, as did the silver fish plate,the portfolio, and the valise."
- so it wasn't immersed in The Solent for a few days.

That was written at the end of May. but as long as the bidders and the final purchaser believe they have the real thing, then fine, imho

Pam

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