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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 07-04-2012 11:03 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Louis Cruises classic steam ship ' The Emerald ' sailed today about Noon from Piraeus.

Her next destination is shown as Port Said but her final destination is not Known.

She is cruising at about 9.7 knots.

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posted 07-04-2012 09:24 PM      Profile for Donald Johnson   Email Donald Johnson   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is the ship's status:

Marine Traffic


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posted 07-05-2012 05:40 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Donald

That link is well out of date as it shows her at laid up near to Piraeus and is dated 09.10. 09.

The other AIS ship position maps show her as a ' Cargo Boat ' with her name given as just ' Emerald ' !

This morning she is off the coast of Crete and cruising at 10.4 knts.

Her arrival at Port Said is now listed as 03.00hrs on the 7th July 2012.

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posted 07-06-2012 01:23 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
' The Emerald ' is shown on the companies business website as being sold for US $ 5 million.

According to the website this was her book value so the company suffered no loss on her sale.

The buyers are shown as Taymouth Ltd. of St Vincent, who also bought their ship ' Sapphire ', for US $ 3.3 million so it looks as if ' The Emerald ' could be sold for scrap.
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The Emerald is headed to Alang to join the Sapphire which I believe was beached a month or two ago.
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posted 07-06-2012 08:43 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI2   Email DAMBROSI2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, there goes another lovely vessel. I'm glad I got to sail onboard her, I think we sailed her about 3 times. And I'm glad I took a lot of interior photos and exterior too. Farewell to such a lovely lady.
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posted 07-06-2012 09:37 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sailed her in which guise?

The Lelakis refit really was not very kind to her original designs but the great cabins that were so big mostly remained.

Her steam plant was original till the end which truly made her unique but also spelled the end of her days.


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posted 07-07-2012 04:20 AM      Profile for DAMBROSI2   Email DAMBROSI2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I forgot to mention that, thank you for pointing that out...my bad.
I sailed on her when she was the REGENT RAINBOW.

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posted 07-07-2012 09:30 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A thread with some pictures of her docked in Baltimore and a link to interior pictures.

HERE


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I wished that Richard Hadley had purchase the Santa Rosa for his Seattle/Hawaiian cruise service in addition to the Big U if he had left the ship intact. Thus two ships might have had an active role in the 1980's as cruise ships sailing as is without the need to renovate them at all.

The Renovation of the Santa Rosa into the Emerald was a rebuild that should not have happened. All they needed to do was give her a new paint job, metal work, and renovate the plumbing and electrical systems like the SS Indy. They was no need to rebuild her at all.


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quote:
Originally posted by Donald Johnson:
The Renovation of the Santa Rosa into the Emerald was a rebuild that should not have happened. All they needed to do was give her a new paint job, metal work, and renovate the plumbing and electrical systems like the SS Indy. They was no need to rebuild her at all.

The economics even in the 1980s meant that the Santa Rosa needed a massive rebuild to sail again. She only had accommodations for 300 passengers with a lot of space devoted to cargo.

No matter who reactivated her in the 1980s or 1990s she would have had a rebuilt with a lot more cabins built into the cargo spaces.

Hadley was far more blessed in that the United States had a workable GA and both the Indy and Connie as you said were pretty much ready to go as is on the GA that is. In the end both were rebuilt over time but they did make the jump to cruising very easy.

The odd note though is that if Hadley had restored the United States or the Santa Rosa they would likely have gone to scrap many years ago. They would have become old and worn out long ago and ended their days like the Indy and the Connie.


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posted 07-15-2012 11:44 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Latest news on the ex Louis Cruises ship ' The Emerald ' is that she has passed through the Suez Canal and is now in the Red Sea.

Her latest destination is now showing as Dubai on the 23rd July 2012.

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posted 07-25-2012 08:47 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Where is she now?
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posted 07-27-2012 01:32 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although previously showing her destination as Dubai ' The Emerald ' is now due to arrive at Bhavnagar on the 28th July 2012 at 01.00 hrs..

She is at present in the Gulf of Khambhat and cruising at about 8.3 knots.

All these reports that she was to be used as an accommodation ship have been proved to be wrong !


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What other reports besides the Korea charter? [which fell through along with the proposed ferry charter earlier in the year... the company now have Ocean Star Pacific instead I believe and she was re-certified this month with the hope, along with more talk of course, with the ferry in Columbia/Colon].

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quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
All these reports that she was to be used as an accommodation ship have been proved to be wrong !

Frequently the middlemen who buy the ships for delivery to the scrap yards are actually still negotiating their deal while the ships are en route. The sales only get finalized when they get the ship to its destination so alternate bids are still possible while the ship is en route or the seller might be playing hardball with the buyers by displaying alternate destinations trying to squeeze the last pennies out of the final sale price.

Also in the case of the Emerald she must have Marinite aboard and asbestos insulation so they could be trying to avoid issues .... (you fill in the rest)


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Pam M

Reports has said that she was doing the Korea charter as an accommodation ship and then going to operate cruises in the Panama area.


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SSTRAVELER

The reports about her use as an accommodation ship in Korea and then doing cruises in the Panama area appeared well before it was announced on the main Louis Group website that the ship had been sold.

To my knowledge how much of her original asbestos and other toxic materials remained on board after her complete rebuilding as the cruise ship ' Regent Rainbow ' has not been commented on.

She was converted into a cruise ship for Regency Cruises at a reported cost of US $ 70 million in 1990.

The work was carried out at the Greek Lelakis shipyard.

In her sales listing information it said that she met the Solas 2010 standards.
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quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
Reports has said that she was doing the Korea charter as an accommodation ship and then going to operate cruises in the Panama area.

Yes, which is what I said.. it fell through, the reports themselves at the time were not wrong, it was the plan. By 'all these reports' I thought you were referring to perhaps rumours that may have come about since then.

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posted 07-28-2012 05:19 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Pam

The reports seemed to be conflicting with one lot giving ' The Emerald ' as being used and then another ' Ocean Star Pacific '.

Even the website for the event seemed to have confusing with a mixture of the two ships names being given which can sometimes be due to translation problems.

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' The Emerald ' has arrived in the anchorage area for Bhavanger about 12 hours earlier than was given on the AIS ship position maps.

This could have been due to speeding up and so using up some of the oil remaining in the ships tanks.
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quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
SSTRAVELER

The reports about her use as an accommodation ship in Korea and then doing cruises in the Panama area appeared well before it was announced on the main Louis Group website that the ship had been sold.

To my knowledge how much of her original asbestos and other toxic materials remained on board after her complete rebuilding as the cruise ship ' Regent Rainbow ' has not been commented on.

She was converted into a cruise ship for Regency Cruises at a reported cost of US $ 70 million in 1990.

The work was carried out at the Greek Lelakis shipyard.

In her sales listing information it said that she met the Solas 2010 standards.
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I know. My comment was to the speculation she might go to Dubai for some purpose or another. That was the destination I was commenting about.

I know the ship well as I did some work with her when she was in Baltimore and was aboard her in those years.

Lelakis' refit was mostly concentrated on adding cabins in the former cargo spaces. When Grace built her she carried just 300 passengers plus both general cargo and refrigerated cargo and even fuel oils.

The 1990s refit left in place all the cabins walls in the former Grace spaces and all those walls were Marinite. It was the "standard" in 1957 when she was introduced. And that was an asbestos product. It was perfectly safe because the asbestos was encased and as long as it was not disturbed via a refit or such it poised no danger. The problem is only when the material becomes airborne.

I seriously doubt they stripped the insulation from the engine room and it would all have been asbestos. Again it was the standard in 1957. It would have been a tricky removal even in 1990 and I doubt Lelakis would have invested in the removal and cleanup as it would have dramatically increased the refit costs.

Being 2010 compliant I do not believe has anything to do with the asbestos aboard.

A shame to see her go because she is the last truly American built passenger ship and the last of William Francis Gibbs' passenger ships to sail. But she had a long life and cheated the scrappers in 1989. They are in for a surprise when they start trying to gut into her. She is built like a tank with a lot of extra metal and steel. She is going to be like the scrapping of the Canberra which was time consuming and costly.


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quote:
Originally posted by Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company.:
The reports seemed to be conflicting with one lot giving ' The Emerald ' as being used and then another ' Ocean Star Pacific '.

The company's own press releases do not mix up the names, the only conflict seems to have been at the expo website end. I can only guess that when it fell through Louis just decided to sell her for scrap asap.

Pam


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AIS ship position report received this morning (UK time) showed the ex Louis Cruises ship ' The Emerald ' as being beached today at the Alang ship breaking area after being anchored off of Alang for about three days.

Expect they were waiting for a high tide !

RIP !
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Even w/so many years in lay-up, the old girl had a very long career. RIP 'mini United States'.
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