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Maasdam
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posted 11-06-2010 12:45 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not well known but HAL painted the Hull of the ROTTERDAM of 1908 white in the early 1930's. It proofed a failure. The Rotterdam was a coal fired vessel and every time she took a new load of coal. here Hull turned black. The maintained was huge and costly after 2 years the hull was painted black once more. HAL never used the white hull again.

The white hull suited the Rotterdam very well it makes here bigger then she was and she looked quite elegant when clean from coal dust and rust.

Greetings Ben.


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Aad
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posted 11-06-2010 06:54 AM      Profile for Aad   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow Ben. I did not know this. Thanks for posting this picture.

Aad


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Linerrich
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posted 11-06-2010 07:54 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ben, actually the ROTTERDAM was converted to oil-burning in 1923, like most liners after the War, so coal dust was not an issue when she was painted white. But HAL was not happy with her general maintenance anyway, and she soon reverted to a black hull.

Another famous liner which was painted white for cruising during the Depression was Cunard's MAURETANIA. She was given a white hull in May, 1933, and was scrapped two years later.

Rich


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Linerrich
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posted 11-06-2010 08:05 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"The White Queen of the Spotless Dutch Fleet." Here is a 1933 brochure in my collection, making much of the fact that over $1 million was spent in upgrading the ship for tropical cruise service, including "painting her white to complete the transformation."

Rich


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 11-06-2010 01:38 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the interesting image. I read years ago that Rotterdam was painted white but I have never seen such a clear image of her in that livery. White hulls just did'nt seem to work on the N Atlantic and I cannot think of any ship that looked pristine on that run w/that livery. Even the white SAL ships looked a bit rusty.

In 1960 American Export and later Italia painted their Transat ships white but that seemed work much better on the southern route. Also the paint used in the past was not up to the standards of today's 'marine coatings' which is far more durable and requires less maintenance.


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Maasdam
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posted 11-06-2010 09:36 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
"The White Queen of the Spotless Dutch Fleet." Here is a 1933 brochure in my collection, making much of the fact that over $1 million was spent in upgrading the ship for tropical cruise service, including "painting her white to complete the transformation."

Rich


Rich I know that she was converted to oil burning. But in the many literature about here stated that the coal dust was causing the problems. View books even say she was never converted to oil burning. So I decided to write the (book version of the story) I have a picture where you see clearly the rust on the hull she looks horrible. Oh well she looks smashing in here white livery

That is one hell of a brochure you have and actually very jealous that you have this brochure
Very nice thanks fore sharing!!

(can I use the image fore my website)
Greetings Ben.


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SSTRAVELER
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posted 11-06-2010 10:12 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Cunard sort of gets credit because they also painted Franconia and some of her sisters white.

I remember seeing an article from that timeframe saying that Cunard had done a study of their ships in the tropics and found the white hulls kept them cooler.

As Rich pointed out and showed with that GREAT brochure cover HAL was getting in tropic cruising around the same time as Cunard. Hence I would guess the idea of painting the hulls white but the white was not well suited for the Atlantic. If I had to guess the rust stained pictures come from the Atlantic season where the ocean was far less kind to the white hulls.


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Linerrich
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posted 11-07-2010 08:05 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ben, of course you may use the image for your website. I would share interior images, but this format of brochure opens up to nearly tablecloth size, so scanning is just not practical.

As Allan has pointed out, a number of ships were painted white for cruise service during the Depression; they were intended for tropical cruising and were taken off the North Atlantic run due to low traffic volume in the early 1930s. Apparently there were enough wealthy people to afford cruises, though, and the steamship lines earned dollars that way.

Rich


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 11-07-2010 12:11 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
Apparently there were enough wealthy people to afford cruises, though, and the steamship lines earned dollars that way.

Rich


Much of the wealthy remained wealthy (and even got richer) during the Depression. Matson Line introduced 3-large luxury ships in service at the height of the Great Depression which were very profitable. As seen w/this much smaller economic downturn, plenty of people are still spending money on vacation travel.


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Maasdam
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posted 11-07-2010 07:18 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
Ben, of course you may use the image for your website. I would share interior images, but this format of brochure opens up to nearly tablecloth size, so scanning is just not practical.

As Allan has pointed out, a number of ships were painted white for cruise service during the Depression; they were intended for tropical cruising and were taken off the North Atlantic run due to low traffic volume in the early 1930s. Apparently there were enough wealthy people to afford cruises, though, and the steamship lines earned dollars that way.

Rich


Thanks Rich. I know the old HAL brochures they are big and difficult to scan. But don't worry I have interior pictures of here.

She was one of the biggest send cruising in the med. At the end even after fitting of a pool and upgrade of here interior she became to old fore the long voyages to the Med. Ultimately the New Statendam took over here role. At the end she was only used as a one class emigrant refuge liner. At the start of WW2 she took thousands of Jews to safety. Actually here bulkheads where in such bad condition that she was not fit fore passenger service.

After here last voyage she was sold to a Dutch scrap yard moved to the Waalhaven. They removed here upper decks only leaving here hull so she could clear the Maasbridges on here way to the scrap yard up stream. During here stay in the Waalhaven many of here beautiful first class interiors where saved such as here first class bar which was fitted in the Grand Hotel Rotterdam great deal of here paneling was saved to. But WW2 came to Holland and after the bombardment of Rotterdam May 14 1940 Al what was saved was lost. She was hit by several granites during the fight around the Waalhaven and the airport that was located there.

Months later she was finally moved to the scrap yard. She passed the burned out Statendam. The Statendam fallowed here view months later to the same scrap yard.


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KenC
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posted 11-08-2010 06:14 AM      Profile for KenC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Such a shame Holland America no longer use their original funnel livery. Anybody got any photoshop images of the current fleet with the old funnel colours and grey hull??? - I'm sure it would make them stand out from the rest!!!

Ken


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Thad
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posted 11-08-2010 10:18 AM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I did not create this photoshop, but found it somewhere on the web.. The Rotterdam would look nice in traditional HAL colors


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 11-08-2010 12:46 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
I did not create this photoshop, but found it somewhere on the web.. The Rotterdam would look nice in traditional HAL colors


I like the mid-1950s livery very much but a black hull and yellow stripe might even look better


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