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LenKinap
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posted 10-18-2009 03:17 AM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Article from "Indian Express":


quote:
Rescue on to save liner, tug on course to Alang
Posted: Thursday , Oct 15, 2009 at 0223 hrs Rajkot:

Rescue operations to salvage the ghost passenger ship Platinum II and tug Barakhoda continued for the second day on Wednesday.

Gujarat Maritime Board (GMB) officials maintained that the nine crewmembers on board the tug are safe. “Barakoda, which had maneuvered Platinum II, which was awaiting clearance for Alang for six days, is stuck due to an engine failure. A tug was sent to rescue the two vessels on Tuesday. It will be sent again to get Barakoda moving,” said Bhavnagar Port Officer P M Rathod.

He added, “Barakoda still needs some assistance for maneuvering.” Platinum II, which was on its way to the Alang Ship Breaking Yard at Bhavnagar, is in danger of sinking. As it is loaded with asbestos, it was awaiting clearance from the GPCB for beaching at Alang.

On Tuesday, after Barakoda broke down, the two vessels drifted towards Gopnath off the Tadaja coast, some 25 km from Alang. Meanwhile, the GMB said in a statement that it has not given permission to Platinum II to drop anchor at Alang without observing the procedures prescribed by the Supreme Court. “At present, Platinum II is off Gopnath, which is the outer anchorage point off Gopnath point,” the GMB statement said.

It said Platinum II will be given permission to beach at Alang only after the vessel gets clearance from the GPCB and the Customs Department following a physical inspection.



It has been reported to me that the clearance has been given a few days ago by Gujarat Pollution Control Board. Peter Knego, always accurate, reported today in his maritime news the same thing:

http://www.maritimematters.com/shipnews.html


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 10-18-2009 11:40 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why not just let her sink as happened to her sister ship in November 1997.

It can not be worse than having the shipyard workers in Alang contaminated by working on the ship with her known amounts of asbestos !


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LenKinap
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posted 10-18-2009 12:28 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Just because the plot that will receive the D/V Platinum II (N°14) is certified ISO 9001-2000, ISO 14001- in 2004 for environmental respect and 18001 OHSA in 2007 (OHSA= Occupational Health and Safety Assessment Series.

Just have a look at:

http://www.hariyanagroup.com/shipdemolition.html

And they have a "Code of Conduct" firm and well established:

http://www.hariyanagroup.com/Code_of_Conduct_hsbl.doc (Word document format)

You can believe or not, but I'm working in the pharmaceutical industry and I know how an ISO compliance is given. And it's given the same way in India, in France or in US.

So maybe they have the know-how to handle and treat toxic wastes at such level as reported by the Gujarat Pollution Control Board. It doesn't mean that the exportation of a such vessel for scrapping prior decontamination was legal, it was not


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 10-18-2009 03:14 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Asbestos fibers are not an airborne hazard when wet so sinking her may be the best bet . The owner insurance would pay out if it was an 'accident' as what happened to ss Constitution (also named Oceanic for her final voyage).
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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-18-2009 03:49 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Len but to be fair, it was Martin Cox who posted the PLATINUM II report in the MaritimeMatters Shipping News.

All my best,

Peter, awaiting confirmation from Alang on her arrival, etc.


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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-18-2009 03:52 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By the way, this is the same breaker who just finished off THE TOPAZ (ex EMPRESS OF BRITAIN)...

Peter


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LenKinap
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posted 10-18-2009 04:30 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry for Martin Cox, but thank you for you both for your informations She is expected very soon, early this week, as the clearance has been released October 15th, the tide condition are OK and the plot #14 is not the worst to work on a such vessel.

At least on the paper, Alang is far better than it use to be. If I remember well, this plot was inspected by IMO delegation in early 2008 with plot 13 and 59 and pilot plot #2 and some others. But they drooped the famous V1 due to the lack of time. V1 was Blue Lady's plot ...

If S. Mehta is someone a little bit special, Priyablue is also certified for both ISO 9001, ISO 14001 and 18001 since 2004. On the paper, they are able to treat a vessel without damage to worker and environment. And they have done a very fast job on the poor Maxim M.

For Indy, it's not the worst solution in term of worker safety ... even if it's absolutely the responsibility of US administration if the Oceanic is arrived at Alang. They were voluntary blind, I repeat ... and they had the solution to block the vessel in US waters.


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posted 10-18-2009 04:57 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Any pictures of Topaz getting the axe?
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Midshipcentury
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posted 10-18-2009 06:54 PM      Profile for Midshipcentury     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
TOPAZ, GORKIY, BLUE LADY and REGAL EMPRESS scrapping images on www.midshipcentury.com, front page at the bottom and a link on the left to BLUE LADY. I just got a new one of REGAL E with the tip of her nose nipped off and chains in her forepeak but have not been able to post it as of yet. Nothing unexpected but when I think of how beautiful and intact she was just a few months ago, it is sobering reminder of how quickly time is marching on....

Peter


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posted 10-18-2009 07:51 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hope we get to see more pictures from your source of the demise of Regal Empress and Independence. Sad as it is to see them, the pictures are a natural way to document the end of their long successful lives.
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LenKinap
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posted 10-19-2009 03:12 AM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Peter, Martin and their correspondent at Alang do a fantastic job. Sadly, they are alone (except Michel Perrin sometimes) and it's not without risks.

It's absolutely necessary to understand how a ship is recycled and to see "in real" sometimes his structure.

Thank you to all of them and please respect their copyrights.


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Waynaro
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posted 10-20-2009 02:29 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I stumbled across three pictures of the INDY leaving San Francisco for the last time. Not sure if they have been shared here or not, but nonetheless beautiful shots .


Baydelta Maritime photo page


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LenKinap
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posted 10-20-2009 05:14 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is a picture of the D/V Platinum II a few miles from Alang:

Photo taken Oct-16-2009 - Credit: PTI for the Hindu - All rights reserved

The article is there:

http://www.hindu.com/2009/10/21/stories/2009102156011100.htm

[ 10-20-2009: Message edited by: LenKinap ]


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posted 10-21-2009 12:19 PM      Profile for Westerdam   Email Westerdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Was the ship in some sort of collision in the last year or so? It looks like the windscreen at the stern has been crushed.
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LenKinap
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posted 10-21-2009 01:11 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When the tug broke his engine a few miles prior the beaching, some articles reported a collision with another vessel or with the D/V himself and then the two vessels drifted towards Gopnath off the Tadaja coast, some 25 km from Alang. The 9 crew members were rescued (tug Barakoda and D/V Platinum II)

It could that, but it's only a rumor. I try to have a better definition of the photograph.

[ 10-21-2009: Message edited by: LenKinap ]


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Lubber
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posted 10-22-2009 02:03 PM      Profile for Lubber     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
D/V? That's a ship prefix I've never heard. Dead Vessel?
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LenKinap
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posted 10-22-2009 03:02 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, like the Blue Lady, even if she had some auxiliary in working order when she did arrive in 2006 at Alang.

The Platinum II is a full dead vessel, without any viable machinery. If some pumps are working*, they are "external" but not the pumps from the former Indy.

* I hope, due to the hull problem, that Compass has put some external pumps to limit the water entrance near the keel.


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posted 10-22-2009 03:13 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Recall her twin the Constitution sank on the way to the breakers.

I am surprised that the Topaz and Regal Empress of similar vintage and also full of asbestos, and PCB's went to the beach and were broken up with no fuss?

Why are they picking on the Indy?


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LenKinap
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posted 10-22-2009 05:46 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good question ! Because Sharma's Family is not appreciated by other Alang breakers as he is alone to be NOW certified ISO 13 000 ? Because there is a cold (or warm) war between GMB and National Authorities, especially the Minister of environment ?

Do not dream, it's only noise. She will be scrapped at there because Alang needs such vessel to prove that - at some plots - the level of compliance with ISO standards is respected better than anywhere. Like for the Blue Lady, Platinim II is a showcase vessel.

But "BAN India" makes no or just a little noise when small RoRo, Ship Factories or Tanker, much more dangerous at their scale, are beached at the last "trash plots". At these plots, ISO is an unknown acronym ... But the D/V Platinum or the D/V Blue Lady are much more interesting for media even if they are recycled in much better condition for both environment and workers. That's all ...

I have nothing against Ban India, but I prefer efforts done step by step than to leave Alang as it was only ten years ago.


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posted 10-22-2009 07:10 PM      Profile for SSTRAVELER     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
I am surprised that the Topaz and Regal Empress of similar vintage and also full of asbestos, and PCB's went to the beach and were broken up with no fuss?

Why are they picking on the Indy?



American built ships were different I believe. Post World War II all the American passenger ships made a very heavy use of marinite wall boards (asbestos core) and it is all still aboard the Indy. Further Indy's engine room at least into the 1990s was heavily laden with asbestos insulation and AHC had been very careful to work around it so as not to have to remove it at high costs.

I don't know about Regal Empress and Topaz but I suspect they used less asbestos board in their construction .... plus neither of them had the issue of the fines the Oceanic ex. Indy incurred when she was towed out of San Francisco.

Finally I think these are different scrappers within the same area and I am sure there is no love lost between the various competitors.


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quote:
Originally posted by SSTRAVELER:
American built ships were different I believe. Post World War II all the American passenger ships made a very heavy use of marinite wall boards (asbestos core) and it is all still aboard the Indy.
I think that goes for pretty much all old Method I ships, really.

(Of course THE TOPAZ and REGAL EMPRESS were Method II ships.)


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posted 10-23-2009 01:18 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The big difference is probably that she was "American" owned (although technically she wasn't) and it is perceived by some as the big US dumping their problems in the 3rd world ?
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LenKinap
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quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
The big difference is probably that she was "American" owned (although technically she wasn't) and it is perceived by some as the big US dumping their problems in the 3rd world ?

Hello,

It could be a part of the problem. IMHO, the problem came from environmental platform that put the projector on some vessel. National Government has signed the Basel convention ans should respect the signature. GMB (Gujarat Maritime Board) must "adapt" the convention to give work to Alang's plots.

And there is a open war between them when the media's projectors put the light on some non-compliant vessels. For the Government authority, this is non-Basel's Convention compliant. For GPCB (Gujarat Pollution Control Board) this is also not clean as asked by Basel's convention, but they states that the plots who could receive the D/V Platinum II have the facilities (human and material) to treat such amount of toxic wastes. Plot #2 is ISO 13 000 certified by BV and is a pilot plot. Plot # 14 is ISO 9001-14001 and 18001. At least on the paper ...


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posted 10-23-2009 12:21 PM      Profile for Lubber     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
The big difference is probably that she was "American" owned (although technically she wasn't) and it is perceived by some as the big US dumping their problems in the 3rd world ?

As far as dead ships go, I doubt it. In fact, Al Gore put a halt to the transport of toxic MARAD ghost fleet ships to developing countries such as India or Bangladesh for scrapping back in the '90s. The only MARAD ships let out of the country after that point were largely sent to Teeside, but in general they're supposed to be sold off to US breakers who are certified for asbestos abatement.

There was a brief period over a year ago when Esco Marine, out of Brownsville, TX, was able to make money doing this on a few ships. However, by and large the unfortunate unintended consequence is that now we have a bunch of ships rotting on the James River and in Suisun Bay, leeching heavy metals and bunker C into two environmentally sensitive estuaries, causing public health concerns.

This makes up the bulk of our older vessels, since the vast majority of US-run passenger vessels are registered elsewhere to evade the Jones Act.

Since the US isn't party to the Basel Convention, there was nothing stopping anyone fom removing a toxic non-US-flagged ship from US waters.

I think all the angst over this one particular ship is simply spillover from angst over that one large pretty blue ship, a certain shipping line that owned both this ship and that ship, and the proximity of time between the demise of both ships. Ironically, it's my understanding Indy was a MARAD ship before NCL got a hold of her. Had NCL left her alone, she'd probably be rusting away in Suisun Bay right now.

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quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
I think that goes for pretty much all old Method I ships, really.

(Of course THE TOPAZ and REGAL EMPRESS were Method II ships.)



Doug -

But what were the first Method I passenger ships? You sought of prove my point by saying the Indy built in 1950 was Method I while the Empress of Britain and Olympia were years later and still not to Method I standards.


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