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mike sa
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posted 09-28-2009 10:42 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obviously it has already been reported in a number of locations that QE2 will not be coming to South Africa. What I find interesting and surprising is that it was not (I am told) South Africa that said no, it was Dubai. Given they spent a considerable sum preparing her to come here it is then surprising that they pull the project. Is her future then that secure ?
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 09-28-2009 10:53 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps they have decided to open her as a hotel and restaurant where she is berthed now !

Connecting her up to shore supplies for water, power and sewage could give problems at some places.

[ 09-28-2009: Message edited by: Neil - Ex P. & O. S. N. Company. ]


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LenKinap
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posted 09-28-2009 03:35 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Her future has never been secure, including at Dubai.

The Dry-docking was needed since 2006 due - at least -to a leak at one bow thruster and to keep the anti-fouldng and paint in proper order. These measure could be useful:

1) To store the vessel for a long time anchorage (it was done in the 70's for SS France when unused);

2) To keep her in working order to sail to a future use (floating hotel, exhibition center)without tow.

3) or to go to a scrapyard without an heavy tow cost. For the moment, it's not what I think, but for me her future is not secure.

China or Asia could be a final or temporary destination if some hotel spaces are needed in the close future. I don't believe at all for Europe, USA our Australia, but I can be wrong. The project Dubai was for me a foolish project (but real)and I think that Dubai Emirates have understood that - including with a very good touristic location - a ship converted or not will never be a very good investment.

Just my two cents


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Guest
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posted 09-29-2009 10:39 PM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it is highly unlikely that Nakheel would have spent so much time and effort on the refit if Scrap was a viable option. It seems extremely unlikely to dress QE2 up in a new coat of paint, simply to send her to Alang.
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thundergod
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posted 09-30-2009 02:41 AM      Profile for thundergod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How would the situation around the contract with Cunard be if the new owners would put her into cruise with pax again? I understand that they are not allowed to according to the contract. But what would the penalty be, lawsuit or a fixed sum in fine? Maybe its worth to pay just to get som income to the ship? I think this is a interesting question because just the fact that they are not allowed to does not say that they will not do it.
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LenKinap
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posted 09-30-2009 03:28 AM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Chris:
I think it is highly unlikely that Nakheel would have spent so much time and effort on the refit if Scrap was a viable option. It seems extremely unlikely to dress QE2 up in a new coat of paint, simply to send her to Alang.

Hello,

That's why I say it's not an option for me for the moment.

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3) or to go to a scrapyard without an heavy tow cost. . For the moment, it's not what I think

But the dry-docking was mostly done to give her a long needed solution to the leaking for the thruster, to remove all the dirt located at the propellers, put a new coat of anti-foulding and to keep her attractive visually for a future use (loan or re-sale). For me, nothing else but nothing more. The ship will anymore sail with passengers because I don't believe that the contract between Cunard and Nakeel can allowed her to be a cruise-ship again and she needs A LOT of work to be SOLAS 2010 upgraded.

So now South-Africa is over, they have to find a solution for the QE2. As I reported, Asia is an opportunity... but for me her close or half-far future is not safe at all.


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jetwet1
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posted 09-30-2009 10:48 AM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As I said in a previous thread, these guys simply have no idea what they are doing, having dealt with them at the start of the year it seems you have 4-5 people making the decisions but they can't seem to all make the same one, you call them for an answer on something, then the next day get the opposite answer from another party there, the gentleman I was working with ended up just walking away from them.
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LenKinap
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posted 09-30-2009 03:03 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

For me you are half right, half wrong. At the beginning, QE2 project at Dubai was "a whim of billionaires" but with a study. But the economical crisis send back to reality and even if Nakeel is a rich Company, a cent is a cent.

So they have on their arms a "valuable ship", in almost good shape (it was not the case for the Norway) and no use, no future, no more project at Dubai for the moment. What to do with QE2 and the skeleton crew present on-board, port cost etc....

SA has refused -for now - the ship for some reasons, they try to have another temporary or permanent solution to stop to loose big money with the vessel. You are true when you states that sometimes they have some versatility and that the power is under the hands of 4-5 managers. But it's only like business is practiced in Emirates and also in other countries.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-30-2009 03:14 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The trials and tribulations of the QE2 mirror those of just about every other hotel-ship project.

Her present is shrouded in confusion and her future unsure. Naively I though that Dubai (where the streets used to be paved in gold) would be different.


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LenKinap
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posted 09-30-2009 04:04 PM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well .. as Bob Dylan says "The Times They Are A-Changin". I must be honest, I have never been a big fanatic of static ship because for me it's a -beautiful sometimes - cold structure of metal and wood. But for me nothing else, only a ghost a of a liner. Like a static steam locomotive in a museum.

When I heard and seen the Dubai project for QE2 (forget project Norway, it was only a couple of drawing not a real study), it was for me a nightmare. To be once more honest, I'm not a real QE2's lover, even if it's a beautiful vessel. But the project was disrespectful and crazy.

The crisis could be a chance for her, because no drastic alteration will be made to convert this glorious liner to a "maritime Barnum". But if Nakeel doesn't found a solution for her in the next few months or one-two years, her future will be really unsafe and very dangerous.


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desirod7
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posted 09-30-2009 06:16 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LenKinap:
Well .. as Bob Dylan says "The Times They Are A-Changin". I must be honest, I have never been a big fanatic of static ship because for me it's a -beautiful sometimes - cold structure of metal and wood. But for me nothing else, only a ghost a of a liner. Like a static steam locomotive in a museum.

Spend a few days on Queen Mary 1 in Long Beach. Her forward observation lounge comes alive at night with a good Jazz trio. I love to eat breakfast on the boat deck overlooking Long Beach Harbor.


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Kevin Gillespie
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posted 09-30-2009 07:48 PM      Profile for Kevin Gillespie   Email Kevin Gillespie   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LenKinap:
[QB]Well .. as Bob Dylan says "The Times They Are A-Changin". I must be honest, I have never been a big fanatic of static ship because for me it's a -beautiful sometimes - cold structure of metal and wood. But for me nothing else, only a ghost a of a liner. Like a static steam locomotive in a museum.

I love steam locomotives as well as classic ships. I would prefer to see either one static if it keeps it out of a scrap yard. In the past few years far too many classic vessels have ended up in Alang, just as far too many steam locomotives were turned into razor blades 50 years ago.

I have visited many static warships and liners over the years, and I am thankful that each one is still with us. The same goes for locomotives, including rusting "park engines." I stayed on the Queen Mary over 25 years ago, and remember the experience with much pleasure.


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LenKinap
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posted 10-01-2009 03:21 AM      Profile for LenKinap        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

It's a choice, it's a feeling. I give you mine But I do have nothing against a static ship converted, even if it has never been a good economical practice. If a country, a state or a town want to save a vessel and admit to lose money ... I have nothing to say about that. That's citizen's representatives political choices ...
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I have been lucky to the the Gresley A4 "Mallard" as a static exhibition at York and in working order when restored for a short time to run on rail. The first time it was a cold but beautiful engine, but no life, no smell. When she was working, it was a steam locomotive with everything present, including the "soul of steam".


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Guest
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posted 10-01-2009 09:05 PM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Latest image I have of QE2 in Dubai:

http://www.chriscunard.com/xct_qe2_dubai.htm


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