What is unique is the layout of cabins on Nederland Line's JOHAN VAN OLDENBARNEVELT (known simply as the JVO to ship enthusiasts!) About half of her cabins were called "zigzag" cabins in the brochures; these were triple cabins which actually divided a set of bunk beds HORIZONTALLY between cabins:

These cabins were located on every deck in both First and Tourist Classes, and you could tell by the red arrows which cabin had the upper and which had the lower bunk. Here's a section of Upper Deck (1st Class):

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Thanks for sharing this Rich. The shared lavatories appear to have three doors-two from adjoining cabins and one from the public corridor. Very interesting.

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Yes, as you can see, next to no private facilities, even in First Class.

Cool ship..she certainly didn't deserve such a tragic demise.

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Originally posted by linerguy:
...and some of JVO's interiors could have given Farcus a run for his money.

Cool ship..she certainly didn't deserve such a tragic demise.

-Russ

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Here some pictures of here 1930 interiors. Farcus? The poor JVO poor interior designers they would turn in there graves

Music Room

Smocking Room

First class Lounge

First class Dinning Room

Greetings Ben.

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Thanks for posting the pics Ben!

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Originally posted by Maasdam:

Here some pictures of here 1930 interiors. Farcus poor interior designers they would turn in there graves

Greetings Ben.

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Ben, you are not far off. Here are the Carnival Triumph interiors

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

As for JVO's interiors, the quality of materials and workmanship were fantastic but they were very gaudy. I could not imagine sitting in one of those ornate lounges on a hot and humid day w/rough seas.

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Yes, the old Dutch liners were filled with dark, heavy woods and furnishings, seemingly very inappropriate for the long tropical voyages to Indonesia. And men wore coats and ties all day long; the women wore dresses, stockings and maybe hats. Certainly a different time and lifestyle!

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
As for JVO's interiors, the quality of materials and workmanship were fantastic but they were very gaudy. I could not imagine sitting in one of those ornate lounges on a hot and humid day w/rough seas.

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Unlike today, most of the architects and interior designers of that day were well trained in classical architecture and could properly design a space of the appropriate architectural orders.

Many at the turn of the 20th century were trained at the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_des_Beaux-Arts

The Carnival ships, QV, POA are ghastly attempts at classical motifs that never existed, and on par with a McMansion.

Deutschland is done correctly as the R-ships.

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Originally posted by desirod7:

Unlike today, most of the architects and interior designers of that day were well trained in classical architecture and could properly design a space of the appropriate architectural orders.

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The scale and proportions of the interior fixtures and fittings on Carnival ships are usually quite off. Mr. Farcus seems to like it that way Much of the architectural millwork and other details appears to have been reduced in height to fit into those spaces. The end result are fittings w/some very odd proportions.

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I try to say that Farcus interiors don't match these period interiors.

The JVO was designed fore the Dutch market. In those days Dutch interior styles where quite heavy. Although the interiors on JVO looks dark and heavy the ships where quite open with there large open decks and large windows and doors that could be opened. JVO is a mix of art nouveau and traditional interior elements. You find it in many houses from that period.

At least they try to avoid the typical period interiors found on the Atlantic and on HAL ships at that time (1930)

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Originally posted by NAL:
Ben....did you notice the light colored chairs in the JVO's smoking room are very similar to ones on the Nieuw Amsterdam '38 which are also in the smoking room.

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Just take a look at the Nieuw Amsterdam smocking room and I don't see the similarity's

But NAL the Rijndam/Maasdam dinning room chairs recembel those chairs in the JVO smocking room.

Greetings Ben.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
David, those Carnival interiors actually look better in B&W

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I agree...they do actually look rather tasteful and "classic" although off from true clasic in many ways...amazing how colour, alone, impacts on opinions.

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I agree that the pics that David posted make the Carnival Triumph's interiors more appealing....which opens up an different can of worms. I am entirely convinced that the interiors of many pre-war classic liners were just as gaudy and over the top as anything Farcus has ever designed. The difference is that, for many of them, there are no color photos (only color renderings); leaving us to imagine what they actually looked like. And more often than not, I think we assume that they were, at the very least, tasteful; when in fact many of them were pretty outrageous. Having been able to see Farcus' interiors from the start, in living color, has left nothing to the imagination.

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Originally posted by linerguy:
I am entirely convinced that the interiors of many pre-war classic liners were just as gaudy and over the top as anything Farcus has ever designed. The difference is that, for many of them, there are no color photos (only color renderings); leaving us to imagine what they actually looked like. And more often than not, I think we assume that they were, at the very least, tasteful; when in fact many of them were pretty outrageous. Having been able to see Farcus' interiors from the start, in living color, has left nothing to the imagination.

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In its original form it was brightly painted and, frankly, rather gaudy.

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Originally posted by NAL:
Ben....did you notice the light colored chairs in the JVO's smoking room are very similar to ones on the Nieuw Amsterdam '38 which are also in the smoking room.

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Originally posted by desirod7:
True, but it was all integrated as a work of art done with materials of nature.

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Originally posted by dougnewman:
Oh, sure ... I'm not saying it wasn't great art, but it wasn't what we tend to envision, either.

Think of the Parthenon and you probably think of it in "black and white."

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Did the antiquities tour last year. The Vatican has all the colors you are talking about. Parthenon? awesome.

Egypt? Pyramids at Giza have been robbed over the Millenia.
Antiquities at Luxor and Aswan are much closer to original.
Again lots of color. I wanted to test an ax on the Explorer of the Seas plastic Egyptian crypt disco. It was the design equivalent of a Swanson TV dinner.

When you see the originals. Vegas looks even worse.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
As for JVO's interiors, the quality of materials and workmanship were fantastic but they were very gaudy. I could not imagine sitting in one of those ornate lounges on a hot and humid day w/rough seas.

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Many of the old liners, QM1 included, they both remind and dis-remind you of being on a ship. During bad weather-pre stabilizer days, the dark heavy overstuffed interiors with small obscure windows tries to make one feel as though they are on a land hotel. Weather is nicer, there are the open and sheltered promenades. Many of the 1920's Indian Ocean liners were much lighter and brighter inside yet still ornate.

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