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Linerrich
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posted 05-29-2008 07:26 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a view of Genoa, circa 1971, scanned from a post card and showing a family portrait of Costa liners:

From top to bottom, we see ENRICO C, FLAVIA, CARLA C, and EUGENIO C. All have been scrapped. This scene reminds me of the collection of Costa models hanging from the ceiling of COSTA FORTUNA!

Rich


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NAL
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posted 05-29-2008 08:12 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great photo, Rich. I have seen it before and very nice to see again. Although similar, I always liked the exterior lines of Eugenio C better than Oceanic. To me she had a smoother more polished look. I was never too fond of the slanted promenade windows on Oceanic.....but alas, she is still with us to enjoy for a short while longer.
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Linerrich
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posted 05-29-2008 08:22 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by NAL:
. Although similar, I always liked the exterior lines of Eugenio C better than Oceanic. .

EUGENIO C was to have looked much more like OCEANIC, before some design changes were implemented during early construction:

Rich


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posted 05-29-2008 08:58 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

EUGENIO C was to have looked much more like OCEANIC, before some design changes were implemented during early construction:


Rich


Thanks for sharing this very interesting profile and for the nice photo.
I loved the Eugenio and I also prefer her to the Oceanic.


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Thad
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posted 05-29-2008 10:46 AM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting drawing of the Eugenio C. I like it, but do think it is too similar to the Oceanic. Does anyone have any pictures of the two ships together? I would be interesting to see to compare and contrast.
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mike sa
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posted 05-29-2008 11:05 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank goodness they made the changes, she went from being just another to something of great grace and style. Her original interiors while a little sparce reflected the same principals.

I have always been bemused that (and even with some modern ships ) the areas below and around the funnels arer not utilized as sunbathing or sports deck spaces etc. EC is a prime candidate.


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Linerrich
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posted 05-29-2008 11:44 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
Does anyone have any pictures of the two ships together? I would be interesting to see to compare and contrast.

Not photographed together, and the OCEANIC photo is recent (although her profile remains unchanged.) Here are identical views of the ships for comparison:

Rich


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posted 05-29-2008 01:15 PM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sooooo beautiful!
Thanks for sharing Rich! That made my day.
(It's when you see ships like these ones, which were among the very ones which made you fall in love with ships in your childwood that you really starting to feel old... )

By the way, the white little liner-ferry on the top is one of the 50s handsome CALABRIA class.

[ 05-29-2008: Message edited by: Vaccaro ]


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posted 05-29-2008 01:15 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Beautiful. What are the other two ships in the back ground?
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posted 05-29-2008 01:51 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
Beautiful. What are the other two ships in the back ground?

The Carla C, Flavia and Enrico C as I remember.


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posted 05-29-2008 01:55 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In some ways the Eugenio C has a cleaner designed superstructure but I refer Oceanic's set-back to her bridgefront. They are both stunning liners but I prefer Oceanic's exterior (other than the slanted promenade windows which I never liked) slightly over Eugenio C. They sure make you appreciate what we once had in terms of passenger ship design. When Oceanic is gone, the Med will be a little less beautiful.
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quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

The Carla C, Flavia and Enrico C as I remember.


Opps.. I did'nt see Rich posted their names. Two burned out and scrapped and the other two scrapped w/in the last few years.


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Linerrich
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posted 05-29-2008 02:29 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
Beautiful. What are the other two ships in the back ground?

As Vaccaro mentioned, the topmost vessel is the CALABRIA of 1952 (or one of her sisters). The other vessel appears to be a ferry of 1960's vintage, but I don't know which one.

Rich


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eroller
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posted 05-29-2008 06:02 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Love, love, love the old Costa liners! I was fascinated with them as a child because they looked so great and it wasn't easy to obtain information about the ships. I also loved the fact that most had beautiful aft tiered decks with multiple swimming pools. I did manage to compile quite a few of the full-color descriptive Costa brochures about the various ships with very detailed deck plans. I only wish cruise lines published such brochures today. They were a ship enthusiasts dream come true.

Ernie


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claudio
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posted 05-29-2008 08:24 PM      Profile for claudio   Email claudio   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
you forgot marconi and galileo come from same designer / yard im sure the hulls are identical gorgeous ships
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posted 05-29-2008 09:12 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great photo Rich!

Sadly, I guess we may never again see a Costa ship in Genoa, since it has a terminal in Savona now.

EUGENIO C. is one of the most beautiful ships ever built. I have always preferred her to OCEANIC. I never had the opportunity to see her interiors (well, except in pieces after she was scrapped ) but from photos, she must have been just as spectacular inside as out.


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NAL
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posted 05-29-2008 10:35 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Doug....both Oceanic and Eugenio C were very similar in interior design....lots of highly polished floors, velour chairs and sofas, sheers over the windows, chrome and very highly polished surfaces. Most rooms seemed to have furniture all in the same color....that is to say a room would be all green or rose, etc.
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posted 05-29-2008 11:23 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the photos I've seen, EUGENIO C. looks more stylish somehow.

But as both ships lost their original interiors in the '80s, I hardly had much of a chance to see either.


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Brian_O
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posted 05-30-2008 12:40 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by claudio:
you forgot marconi and galileo come from same designer / yard im sure the hulls are identical gorgeous ships

The hulls were not identical. The Galileo and Marconi were shorter and narrower than either of the other two and had different sterns. Also, Oceanic was 69 feet longer than Eugenio C.

Brian


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 05-30-2008 01:04 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by NAL:
Doug....both Oceanic and Eugenio C were very similar in interior design....lots of highly polished floors, velour chairs and sofas, sheers over the windows, chrome and very highly polished surfaces. Most rooms seemed to have furniture all in the same color....that is to say a room would be all green or rose, etc.

There are a few images of Oceanic's interiors taken in the 1970s (from the style of clothing) on the ss Maritime site at www.ssmaritime.com/oceanic.htm

As NAL posted, lots of velour chairs and from what I can see fairly dark comfortable looking spaces.


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posted 05-30-2008 03:44 AM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

As Vaccaro mentioned, the topmost vessel is the CALABRIA of 1952 (or one of her sisters). The other vessel appears to be a ferry of 1960's vintage, but I don't know which one.

Rich


That is, without a doubt, one of the 'POETA' serie of Tirrenia di Navigazione, which included BOCCACIO, CARDUCCI, LEOPARDI, MANZONI, PASCOLI and PETRARCA which then became famous for their radical (and awful with new very high sperstructure) refits later.

Now you have them all Cunard Fan.


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Interior wise I think one difference between the two was that some real wood panelling was used aborad Eugenio C but not aboard the Oceanic. This alone would have made the Eugenio C richer and more attractive to my eyes I expect.
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Linerrich
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quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:

EUGENIO C. is one of the most beautiful ships ever built. I have always preferred her to OCEANIC. I never had the opportunity to see her interiors (well, except in pieces after she was scrapped ) but from photos, she must have been just as spectacular inside as out.

The EUGENIO C., being built as a 3-class ship, was much more broken up internally than OCEANIC, whose public rooms flowed more gracefully. But every time I was aboard EUGENIO, I was impressed by the design and the color scheme, even into the 1980s (her public lounges were in fact named after various colors.) The decor, furnishings, even the chopped-up layouts seemed more typical of the classic Italian liners. She was never as Americanized of course as OCEANIC, and that kept her styling and flavor more original.

Rich


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Another important difference is that Eugenio C had sheer whereas Oceanic had none....or so it appears.
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quote:
Originally posted by NAL:
Another important difference is that Eugenio C had sheer whereas Oceanic had none....or so it appears.

OCEANIC's sheer is noticeable below decks, where the accommodations are located, but not on the higher, public decks. EUGENIO's profile shows sheer on her higher decks as well, but on board, you never had a long, sweeping vista (even her enclosed Promenades were sub-divided) so you could not detect any sheer.

Rich


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