http://mediavigil.blogspot.com/

However, try to confirm it from other sources if you don't believe the story from the link I provided. Another ship gone into the pages of history.

On a side note, I am getting REALLY fed up with all this bashing on NCL in regards to selling ships to the breakers and how they are "breaking environmental laws" bull crap. NCL has only sold two ships to the breakers, compared to other lines say Louis or smaller one-two ships operation companies. The article itself is a time bomb in starting controversial debates...

[ 04-28-2008: Message edited by: Waynaro ]

You may be fed up with the talk about NCL breaking the law in the way they dispose of ships.

However having got away with selling two ships to Alang via other companies have you considered what is next !

The UNITED STATES !

It could soon be on its way to Alang.

I hope the sellers of the latest ship get fined the maximum penalties for breaking the laws of the USA.

I take it you are training to become a ships officer !

I would suggest that you remember that the law has to be respected !

Neil ( Bob )

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Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Waynaro

You may be fed up with the talk about NCL breaking the law in the way they dispose of ships.

However having got away with selling two ships to Alang via other companies have you considered what is next !

The UNITED STATES !

It could soon be on its way to Alang.

I hope the sellers of the latest ship get fined the maximum penalties for breaking the laws of the USA.

I take it you are training to become a ships officer !

I would suggest that you remember that the law has to be respected !

Neil ( Bob )

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sold the ship in July of last year to Global Marketing Services (GMS) founded by Anil Sharma. Sharma's website brags of buying and facilitating more than 100 ships per year being exported to Asia for scrapping. SS Oceanic is known to have beached itself in the plot of one Komal Sharma, brother of Anil Sharma and owner of Leela Ship Recycling Yard.

I read more of the article. There is one ex NCL ship and about 100 others. Let the USA and international courts go after GMS. If they prosecute NCL then they need to go after Carnival, Maersk, Zim, and a few others who sell worn out ships to scrap merchants.

Bob, if you are truly concerned write the UK United Nations ambassador. One letter from a constituent represents the concern of 100 people.

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Saw lately a news broadcast about India and Pakistan with dozens of freighters of all sorts and a hand full of passenger vessels of al sorts of company's from around the world. No word about those vessels. Beside that it's time that those country's clean up there act. They cane build nuclear weapons so they must be able to scrap milieu friendly a ship and respecting the lives of there work force...........

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Originally posted by DAMBROSI:
No bashing from me....but if it had ended up like sister and not on the beach. It would have been fine with me. Have'nt seen anything on Peter Knego's site yet.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:
Maybe time to keep you're comments about NCL to you're self Neil, Bob ore whatever you're name is....It's boring to hear the same CD over and over again. Ben.

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Originally posted by linerguy:
Oh lord, not another round of pointless NCL bashing!

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Ain't THAT the truth! Seems like these genius's would have something better to do with there time like make macaroni art or silly putty tranfers of the Sunday comics.

Sad indeed about the Independence but whats done is done. You were powerless to stop it from happening. You could neither contribute to save or stop the destruction of her. Quit complaining about it.

And if they are THAT concerned about saving the SSUS, how much money have you personally raised? How many letters have you written? Are you actually out there in the streets campaining or (lazily so) just on the net? Are you just beating a drum hoping someone will hear you are are you REALLY doing something about it?

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Originally posted by Maasdam:

Saw lately a news broadcast about India and Pakistan with dozens of freighters of all sorts and a hand full of passenger vessels of al sorts of company's from around the world. No word about those vessels. Beside that it's time that those country's clean up there act. They cane build nuclear weapons so they must be able to scrap milieu friendly a ship and respecting the lives of there work force...........

Ben.

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I would suggest that some of you need read what is written !

I have said that it is the company that bought the Oceanic and arranged for her to be towed to Alang that should be prosecuted as they have broken the laws of the USA.

I also said that as NCL have got away with selling two ships to other companies, and they have finished up at Alang, the United States could be next !

That is the facts of what has or could happen, even if some may not like them !

I could not care less about saving the United States, as I live in the UK, however she is part of the American maritime history so I would have thought it would be of interest to the citizens of the USA to see her saved !

It appears you have little interest in your maritime history.

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dmwnc1

I could not care less about saving the United States, as I live in the UK, however she is part of the American maritime history so I would have thought it would be of interest to the citizens of the USA to see her saved !

It appears you have little interest in your maritime history.

Neil ( Bob )

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Where there is an attempt to save a classic cruise ship I will support it !

Although listed as a ship at risk, for several years, there was no real attempt to save the Oceanic and reading the posts on this forum, from persons living in the USA, there seems to be little interest in saving the United States.

The post about not breaking ships in my backyard, by Frosty 4, even though the Oceanic was built in the USA, seems to be the attitude of some posters.

It shows they have little regard for the health of workers in these third world ship breaking yards.

How dare you assume to know what other people are interested in. The fact that you measure people's interest in a subject by whether or not they agree with you on the matter is about as pompus as it gets.

So Norway and Independence are being scrapped,...so friggity what? Sure, it's sad but they are both old ships that have done their bit. IF the same fate is in store for the SSUS, well, that's the way it goes. Ships have been scapped as long as they've been built; and the fun will continue long after the SSUS is gone.

Are you so blind that you can't see the logic of NOT dumping nearly a billion dollars into a 56 year old ship?

Just a guess but, Will Rogers never met you, did he?

You should get your facts right.

I have never at any time said that the United States should be returned to service !

Costs are much to high but she could become a museum ship with displays of shipping items.

Neil ( Bob )

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Can you leave NCL out of this? Apparantly you have not processed or refuse to process the replies that note NCL or any other cruise/frieght line are not the enviromental criminals here.

The beach pollution in India is a serious matter. The scrap merchants are to blame here.

I have not said in these recent postings that NCL should be prosecuted !

I said it is the company that bought and arranged for Oceanic to be towed to Alang that should be fined !

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Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Waynaro

You may be fed up with the talk about NCL breaking the law in the way they dispose of ships.

However having got away with selling two ships to Alang via other companies have you considered what is next !

The UNITED STATES !

It could soon be on its way to Alang.

I hope the sellers of the latest ship get fined the maximum penalties for breaking the laws of the USA.

I take it you are training to become a ships officer !

I would suggest that you remember that the law has to be respected !

Neil ( Bob )

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Your concerns are valid, and the envoronmental threat is real.

I cannot vouch for all cruisetalkers, but for me and many others you are preaching to the choir. Try not to give Ernst ammunition to shoot you down

Here are the appropriate organizations within the UN to vent you frustrations and they maybe able to do something.

United Nations Environmental Programme UNEP

International Maritime Organization

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