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viking109
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posted 09-11-2007 04:49 AM      Profile for viking109        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to www.ssnorway.no permission has finally been given to dismantle the SS France/ SS Norway.
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posted 09-11-2007 05:37 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let it be quick and let it be over.

Ben.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-11-2007 06:04 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see that they call it 'Breaking News':

Supreme Court approves Dismantling!

BREAKING NEWS: ssnorway.no can as the first website in the world give you the news that the Supreme Court in india has just approved the breaking of the Blue Lady.

Last friday the government told the Supreme Court that all the required mechanisms, with regard to decontamination of the hazardous material on board SS Norway, have been complied with, thus paving the way for it to be dismantled. Today the supreme court finally made their desicion on the faith of the beautiful oceanliner which has been lying on the beach in Alang for more the 1 year.

MORE NEWS WILL FOLLOW SHORLY!
Posted on 11 Sep 2007


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Patsy
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posted 09-11-2007 07:11 AM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good. I hope it's true. Memories of Norway have been tarnished by all this when she deserved a swift end. In years to come any articles will continue to mention what happened at Alang the same way they scream Norovirus or jinxed ship reporting on others.

RIP finally Norway


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dmwnc1
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posted 09-11-2007 07:41 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not to be too graphic, but I really look forward to seeing pictures of her being dismantled. A ship, the steel embodyment of the vessel, is a soul-less empty hulk. Without the passengers, a crew, and a useful purpose, a ship is just a heap of painted, formed metal. In her amazing life as a trans-Atlantic liner and in the Caribbean as a cruise ship, she throbbed with a heartbeat, a rhythm, unique character, and purpose. Sitting on the beach for the last year she has just been a dead carcass, gone passed the point where you could not breath life back into her if you even wanted to.

I for one am glad to see her finally pass into history, I just wish it had been done with more respect and dignity (if those terms can be applied to a soul-less hulk).


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Rex
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posted 09-11-2007 08:53 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank goodness, I was tired of all the bullshitting from NCL. Indy or Big U are next.

ETA: Now that I've watched the video, I'm feeling a bit verklempt!!!

[ 09-11-2007: Message edited by: Rex ]


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posted 09-11-2007 10:19 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How are they going to drag her closer to shore? By dismantling the funnels and superstructure? She's wedged in the mud pretty deep at the stern.

[ 09-11-2007: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]


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DAMBROSI
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posted 09-12-2007 12:02 AM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How very sad that it was announced today, nearly 1 yr. and 7 months after my husband passed away. He loved the NORWAY and so do I.
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 09-12-2007 04:24 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi All

If the ship breakers can not drag the ex ss Norway closer to the beach, before starting to cut her up, I would think it is going to cost them a lot more to get the metal ashore plus the chance of more accidents and workers injured.

There is also less chance of anyone seeing the full extent of the damage, caused by the boiler explosion, while she is some way out from the beach, and what has been contaminated by the asbestos.

Neil ( Bob )


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viking109
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posted 09-12-2007 04:56 AM      Profile for viking109        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The ship may now only be painted , formed metal , but it was formed with a passion for both beauty and function.
Whilst it was more or less inevitable that this would happen it is sad that we are unlikely to see so much effort ever again put into the asthetics of exterior ship design. on the whole, but not always we are now just left with the function.

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Redlinekid2
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posted 09-12-2007 05:25 AM      Profile for Redlinekid2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As crazy as this might sound: I believe that the SS Norway will be resold to another party. The primary reason why the ship was not sold by Mr. Metha in the past was because he wanted to wait for the FINAL outcome of this landmark Indian Supreme Court case. If the court system favors the breakers, then they could get more for the ship than they could as scrap value. This way, all the expenses that was incured over the past year would be erased. In addition, the profits made from the sale of the SS Norway could be used to buy a large number of ships to breakup on Mr. Metha's shipyard.

The SS Norway was nothing more than a political wildcard. That's why the shipbreakers couldn't let this ship go. They needed a way for the law to work on their side. Now that their mission has been met, they don't need the SS Norway anymore. It did its job so that no one else can challenge the shipbreakers again. As for the Indian Supreme Court: The Biggest Jokers in the World.

The breakers only care about one thing: Money, Money, Money......MONEY!!!!!

As for their people needing jobs: More like a death sentence for slave labor.

[ 09-12-2007: Message edited by: Redlinekid2 ]


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-12-2007 05:35 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
...it's not too late for someone to buy her and return her to service.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-12-2007 05:42 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Redlinekid2:
The breakers only care about one thing: Money, Money, Money......MONEY!!!!!

Yes, their focus is not suprisingly 'breaking ships' for profit. Health & Safety at work is proably not a primary concern, earning a living is.

Even in the 'first world', pleanty of workers are injured, die or experience ill health becuse of their jobs.

We can't blame NCL for this long delay, they sold the SS Norway more than a year ago.


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 09-12-2007 12:22 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

Had NCL / Star Cruises had the asbestos removed before the ship went to Alang then she would not have sat there so long and would by now have been a skeleton.

By not doing this NCL / Star cruises saved money when they disposed of her !

So they are the real people to blame for the ship sitting there so long as they sold the ship with the asbestos still on board.

All the court cases have been doing is to try and protect the poorly paid workers at the breakers yards from asbestos poisoning or other health hazzards.

The question now is what will happen to her and is she going to be broken up.

The ship breakers said that she can not be moved but with the right powerful tugs I think they could move her into deeper water again on a high tide if they decided to sell her.

They will also need her nearer to the beach to break her up if that does happen.

With her engine and other oils already removed and no power on board it looks as if her lifeboats could be nose diving into the mud if her davits have not been maintained for at least the last two years.

Thats if her lifeboats can still be lowered !

Neil ( Bob )

[ 09-12-2007: Message edited by: Neil Whitmore ( Bob ) ]


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posted 09-12-2007 12:44 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I heard that it wasn't that they aproved it but that they handed the case over to a smaller court.

I guess I was wrong..

I am so sad and mad right now!

If this was just some other ship then that would be one thing but its not, its the last real French Liner! One of the last Ships of State... Its just such a sad lost to me. I really wish I had cruised on her or at least seen her, never did...


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Linerrich
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posted 09-12-2007 12:50 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
!

If this was just some other ship then that would be one thing but its not, its the last real French Liner! ... Its just such a sad lost to me. I really wish I had cruised on her or at least seen her, never did...


Cunard Fan, get a grip--you still have a chance to sail on one of the last "real French liners!" She's called THE SERENADE and sails weekly out of Cyprus for Louis Cruises. Yes, it means having to travel because she is not sailing out of our own back yard, but then, none of the classic ships do that any more.

Rich

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Ernst
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posted 09-12-2007 12:53 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
[...] its the last real French Liner! [...]

It does not make this sad story any better - but don't forget that there is one French 'liner' left you can still travel with (if that is important for you) - she is not a fast ship built for the North Atlantic, but she still is/was a french 'liner' : (you might want to hurry up )


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posted 09-12-2007 01:14 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

It does not make this sad story any better - but don't forget that there is one French 'liner' left you can still travel with (if that is important for you) - she is not a fast ship built for the North Atlantic, but she still is/was a french 'liner' : (you might want to hurry up )


Sorry.

I know there are still some french liners. What I meant when I said 'last real french liner' was she was the last french ship of state. The others that are still around were not as importaint, in a way, as her. Shes also one of the last French Lines ships.


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linerguy
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posted 09-12-2007 01:39 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not a tremendous fan of NCL but all this NCL trashing is ridiculous. The way some people talk, it's like NCL and Star are some kind of evil axis. Give me a break; the only thing NCL is guilty of is shooting their mouth off and then, after looking at the big picture, not following through on their initial response. Be pissed at them if you want but they're not responsible for the conditions in Alang or the fact that she's been sitting on the beach. They simply sold a ship that became a liability and that's that.

Check your history books folks...NCL has done nothing that CGT, Cunard, White Star, NGL, etc. didn't do; they sold a ship to the breakers. Period.

BTW, Ernst, lovely photo of a lovely ship. Thanks!

-Russ

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SCOTT H
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posted 09-12-2007 03:23 PM      Profile for SCOTT H   Author's Homepage   Email SCOTT H   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First off , R.I.P. France/Norway. A legend finally passes into memory. Like others, I wish it could have been quicker and not this draged out episode with all the finger pointing. When I cruised on the Norwegian Dawn in 05 they were pretty mum on the subject when I asked about their former flagship. Now looking back I can see why. Best to remember her in the glory days of her two incarnations as the pride of CGT and the origianal megahip of cruising. Goodbye BIG BLUE, you wre unique, but sadly nothing last forever.
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posted 09-13-2007 01:56 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry are we talking about a ship here or Marilyn Monroe ?

She had her day, even if it had not been her boilers the oil price would have finished her off, yes a lovely ship, yes many who sailed on her probably have some great vacation memories but she is after all a ship and ALL ships meet and are designed to meet a definative end, she indeed was luckly to have lasted so long.

Her fate as a hotel or similar was never to be, indeed I am amazed that Dubai want QE2. Can you imagine if every ship of any significance was saved and turned into a hotel or similar, our harbours and rivers would be full of rusting hulks that no one visits. One or 2 of them will make it but they can't all have further uses, financially not one has ever made a profit. I miss the old Windsor Castle but don't want her parked in Durban harbour where I would have to watch her deteriorate every time I looked out my windows.

You may hate the idea but if ships were to be hotels it is not the old ones that are suitable, it is the new Pride of Americas that lend themselves to conversion, standard rooms, state of the art theatres, conference facilities, multiple restaurants etc. Imagine a POA in every town ! No thanks send them all to Alang.

In order to save many mails/postings I will now go and beat myself throughly in the garden as penance and attend confession on Sunday.......


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posted 09-13-2007 04:25 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Sorry are we talking about a ship here or Marilyn Monroe ?

Both. Anyway Marilyn Monroe had better 'boilers' than the SS Norway!


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posted 09-13-2007 05:14 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If someone miss French liners, he can still have a look at QM2 !
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posted 09-13-2007 11:56 AM      Profile for VDK   Email VDK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Other than her funnels and a couple of rooms on board, I fail to see that NORWAY was anything really special. Don't get me wrong I do understand that she was the FRANCE and in that alone there is significance but its seems most of what made her the FRANCE is long gone and much of her interior is, well nothing that special - at least from what I have seen.
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posted 09-13-2007 12:37 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by VDK:
Other than her funnels and a couple of rooms on board, I fail to see that NORWAY was anything really special. Don't get me wrong I do understand that she was the FRANCE and in that alone there is significance but its seems most of what made her the FRANCE is long gone and much of her interior is, well nothing that special - at least from what I have seen.

There is a lot of truth in what you say. Yes, the NORWAY was special because she had been the FRANCE, but very little of the French liner remained, especially after the several refits, enhancements and improvements. By the end, other than the forward staircase ballustrades and the tourist class wall panels in the elevator lobbies, nearly everything else CGT was gone.

For people looking for the original experience, they could still book one of the numerous cabins which had much of the CGT fittings. But most of these cabins were small, with quirky old-fashioned plumbing, and the outside cabins offered portholes, not bright and airy windows or balconies. Frankly, and this seems blasphemous, the best accommodations on NORWAY were the much-maligned Sun Deck and Sky Deck suites added in 1990!

For me, though, it was just the opportunity of being on the old ship that was special, although basically inside she was a totally different ship. I was fortunate to make 11 cruises on her, and was aboard her literally dozens of more times on Saturdays in Miami. It seems that the most vocal of the whinging, whining critics of NORWAY's situation are those who never set foot on her. I'm sorry they did not get to experience her, and I know how they feel. It's the same way I felt in the early 1970s as a teenager, when literally hundreds of passenger ships were being scrapped, sometimes one or two each week! There were many classic ships I had planned to see which were snatched away, some after only 10 or 12 years in service!

Rich


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