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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 06-13-2007 05:45 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

Mercy Ships have announced that the mv Anastasis which was built in 1953 as the Lloyd Triestino mv Victoria will be sold shortly.

It is expected the sale will be to breakers and the money raised from her sale will be used for their operations.

More details are on the Mercy Ships website.

Neil ( Bob )


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Johan
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posted 06-13-2007 06:12 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sad news, but to be expected.
A memory of a distant age will be destroyed, and the world will be poorer because of this.
I visited her once, some years ago, a real ship, very sober, but her past shone through the utilitarian present.

Sic transit...

J


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posted 06-13-2007 06:41 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was a miracle that she stayed around for such a long time - sad to hear that she has to go now.

Not too many of these fantastic Italian built vessels are left:

Italia, Augustus, Ausonia, Jason - and?


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posted 06-13-2007 07:59 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:

Not too many of these fantastic Italian built vessels are left:
Italia, Augustus, Ausonia, Jason - and?

And.. OCEANIC.

Rich


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Ernst
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posted 06-13-2007 08:24 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

And.. OCEANIC.

Rich


...oups....funny how I could forget her.

Royal Star is also still around.


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posted 06-13-2007 09:18 AM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By Italia, I take it that you mean the Sapphire of Louis Cruises, an underated ship in my book. So sleek and just the right size as well..


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posted 06-13-2007 01:01 PM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Neil,

Is your friend (R.G.) not trying to save her ? ?


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posted 06-13-2007 01:25 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Willem

Please tell me why you think he should save her.

As she was running to Africa perhaps you would like to make an attempt to save her.

Neil ( Bob )


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Willem
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posted 06-13-2007 01:30 PM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, your friend tries to save almost every classic liner.
Or is the ship not interesting enough for him ? ?

Rest of your message is bs.


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posted 06-13-2007 04:23 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Willem

Please tell me why you think he should save her.

As she was running to Africa perhaps you would like to make an attempt to save her.

Neil ( Bob )


Afrtica? She was built for the Italy to India and Hong Kong service. She only started calling at South and East African ports after the Suez Canal was closed by the 6-day war and she (and her running mate Asia) had to go round the Cape to get to India.

OTOH, Africa and Europa of 1952 were built for the Italy to South Africa service.

Brian


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 06-13-2007 04:25 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Willem

If you were familiar with the ship you would know that she was gutted and converted into a hospital ship some years ago.

No doubt at that time a lot of her passenger accommodation was removed unlike ships that they do try to save.

You could contact him though !

Although we are friends it is through my time at sea when I met him on various occasions, the writing about classic ships I do for his website, and my business interests.

Neil ( Bob )


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posted 06-13-2007 04:44 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

If you were familiar with the ship you would know that she was gutted

Gutted? I think not. Based on photos and videos that I have seen, all taken in recent years, her layout is pretty much the same today as in the 1950's. I believe Onno was aboard her a couple of years ago. Perhaps he can comment.

Brian

[ 06-13-2007: Message edited by: Brian_O ]


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 06-13-2007 04:47 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Brian

Looks like you took the bait !

I knew where she ran, having been in port with her, but various websites give different details of the services she was on.

Have another worm !

Regarding the conversion work on her, operating theatres were created in various areas including parts of what were her cargo holds so she is not original !

Neil ( Bob )

[ 06-13-2007: Message edited by: Neil Whitmore ( Bob ) ]


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posted 06-13-2007 04:58 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess she is much closer to her original condition than most other old ships.

That parts of her original interior decoration and furniture have been removed could actually be an advantage for a conversion making her complaint with new regulations - but sadly there is only a negligible chance for her not to be scrapped.


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posted 06-13-2007 05:25 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Externally it is interesting to compare her original 1950s profile w/images from today. Unlike many older ships, she is structurally nearly intact. It is sad that the end appears to be near but she has sailed an additional 25-35 years than other Italian liners of her era-but what a lovely era in ocean liner design it was.
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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 06-13-2007 05:26 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi all

As Mercy Ships intend to use the money from the sale of the ship for the services they provide I fully expect they will seek to obtain the best price for their ship be it either being sold to breakers or for another use.

It is a pity that someone in Italy does not take the chance to save what was one of their classic passenger ships.

Neil ( Bob )


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posted 06-13-2007 05:46 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She has a lot of wood aboard, look at Willem's photos. I also understand only one of her decks was gutted for conversion. The asbestos was removed from there but expect the remaining decks have much asbestos insulation. So where is the furore over her scrapping? Who is going to pay for the clean-up?

Pam


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posted 06-13-2007 06:34 PM      Profile for Garnett   Email Garnett   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello All,

According to a press release posted on Maritime Matters, the ship will be taken to "an environmentally sensitive dismantling organization". See below....

Garnett

"Due to major changes in maritime shipping requirements, the Mercy Ships Board of Directors has determined that the ANASTASIS, the first ship to ever serve the Mercy Ship fleet, would have to be retired.

The substantial costs to make the major changes and retro-fitting that would be required to continue her service would not be economically feasible for the organization to continue its mission to bring hope and healing to the forgotten poor.

After careful consideration and due diligence, it has been determined that the best option to help to continue our mission would be to have the ship taken to an environmentally sensitive dismantling organization and sold for scrap.

The proceeds from this endeavor will allow the ANASTASIS to continue to serve our organization by adding additional funding to our cause even in her final retirement. The ship is scheduled to depart her final mission in Monrovia, Liberia on July 2nd.

This wonderful ship has served the world for nearly 30 years as a symbol of hope for those who thought they had been forgotten. Though the thought of her retirement will cause us all to reflect on great memories while serving on board her mighty decks, we must celebrate her enormous accomplishments and use her service as a cornerstone for our future missions.

Mercy's On Its Way! Thanks to you, ANASTASIS! Your service will never be forgotten."

The ANASTASIS has been replaced by the AFRICA MERCY (ex DRONNING INGRID), which entered service this spring after a long conversion from Danish train ferry to hospital and relief ship.


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posted 06-13-2007 08:53 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Garnett:
Hello All,

According to a press release posted on Maritime Matters, the ship will be taken to "an environmentally sensitive dismantling organization". See below....

Garnett


And where exactly would that be? Alang ESDO?

Joe at TravelPage.com


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posted 06-13-2007 11:04 PM      Profile for Garnett   Email Garnett   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good question....I pondered the same thing. There are scrapyards that could decontaminate the ship, but it wouldn't be cheap...and it certainly wouldn't generate any surplus funds for Mercy Ships' coffers.

However, given Mercy Ships' mission...to bring relief to the world's poorest...they are in an unenviable position relative to scrapping the Anastasis. From a political and environmental perspective, they can't easily send the ship to Alang given the toxic living conditions of the workers there and they probably can't afford to have the ship scrapped in an environmentally sound way either.

It will be interesting to see how the situation plays out.

Garnett


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posted 06-13-2007 11:29 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She could just be laid-up like so many out of work U.S. ships. We seem to have our share of w/cruise ships, cargo ships, a liner etc. etc. all just rusting away.
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posted 06-14-2007 05:02 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anastasis have much from here layout intact.
Guttering took place on one of the decks white cabins. There is some original wood paneling in one of the ships staircases. Have seen it quite sometime ago now.

Amazing how one liner is worship as a god (Norway) and the other is handled as garbage.

I think saving here is much essayer. She is relative small at 15.000 grt and i believe renovate here would be possible. She is still running with here original machinery (which was not working at the time she became the Anastasis)

Only hope here end is not that of the Norway ore other laid up vessels slowly rusting away.

Greetings Ben.


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quote:
Originally posted by Maasdam:

Amazing how one liner is worship as a god (Norway) and the other is handled as garbage.


Not so amazing :
-Norway is 5 time bigger and had been the largest passenger vessel afloat from 72 to 87 (if I'm correct).
-She beared the name of 2 countries and was a national pride to them
-She had been during more than 40 years the longest ship of the World,
-She was at the origin of the now predominant concept of mega cruise ships
-She is the last relic of the French Line, that's to say the last remaining "relative" to vessels such as Normandie or Île de France.

IMHO, It makes many reasons to preserve her.


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posted 06-14-2007 06:21 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess nobody here denies that it would have been nice if the Norway had been preserved. BUT it is indeed a bit strange how 'silent' the ship enthusiasts community was (I do not expect the public to take notice of that) when ships like Guglielmo Marconi, Eugenio C. or recently Monterey were scrapped. (just to name a few) Compared to the fuss about Norway one could nearly say that nobody cared. (Norway is of course a more prominent vessel)
The other aspect is that preserving a small vessel would be MUCH easier than preserving a 315 m long ship. (...which also encounter a boiler expolsion...)

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I agree completely with Ernst.

The "Victoria" case should be judged on its own merits, apart from comparisons with the "Norway".

However, I think she is in a more original "Victoria" state, than Norway in an original "France" state.

I was a bit surprised, when I visited Anastasis, there was such little structural alteration : I had expected large wards, with many hospital beds, and big operatiing theatres, etc. In fact, the operating theatres were in what looked to me (big) former first class cabins or suites, certainly no grand rooms. In fact, there was little hospital atmosphere onboard, most of the passenger infrastructure was for the use of the volunteers.

It was all faded glory : just like former mansions converted to youth hostels, (I think this is the best metaphore for the state of the Anastasis) where you can still see traces of former splendor.

Anastasis is no period piece like Rotterdam (or possibly Augustus) but I think there is little structural alteration needed to bring her back to victoria State. It would be nice to see her back in Trieste, even in this state, and being used as a youth hostel, and later, after restauration as a museum to italian shipping and design.

For example, the dining room had no carpet and very simple cafetaria style tables and seating, but the light (s?)cones and some wall decoration was still there.

There are still rows and rows of cabins, and you can still see where the pursers office was, with clocks etc. all very well used and worn of course.

She looks and smells like a real, working no-frills ship. She was a bigger version, but similar in looks as the hamburgbased "Cap San Diego" (which is in a better less worn (cosmetical) state)

Lots of words, sorry, but it is not so easy to convey my thoughts on this in good English.

J


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