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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 08-08-2006 04:57 PM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From Maritime Matters:

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SAVANNAH Saved?
August 6: N/S SAVANNAH, the world's first nuclear-powered cargo and passenger ship, will be towed to Colonna's Shipyard from the James River "Ghost Fleet" on August 15th and restored. Colonna's Shipyard in Virgina, which dates back to 1875, won the US$1 million dollar contract to repair and clean up the 1962-built ship. The N/S SAVANNAH is a national historic landmark that has been laid up in the Reserve Fleet since 1994. Designed to carry 9,400 tons of cargo, 60 passengers and 124 crew, NS SAVANNAH was capable of cruising at 21 knots and traveling 336,000 miles on a single fuel load. The repair work is the first step of a larger government plan to remove the old nuclear reactor, scrub all remaining radiation and prepare the ship for preservation.

Update: Added August 7: Further details of the work to be done in 60 days at Colonna's includes examining for hull leaks, repairing the dehumidifying equipment, removing old carpets, cleaning the interior and installing a floodlighting system. Following these repairs, SAVANNAH will to another yard for futher maintenance, then spend two years at a nuclear-capable facility where her reactor core will be decommissioned. It is hoped that she will be ready as a museum and in a new home by 2010.


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BigUFan
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posted 08-09-2006 04:37 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Imagine that. The Savannah is a national landmark, but the SSUS isn't. For shame!
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PamM
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posted 08-09-2006 04:56 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
..but she is government built and owned and has had National Landmark status for years. Only now are they doing something. She is also a lot smaller than SSUS and once 'clean' easier to maintain no doubt? I am surprised she has been allowed to sit there so long though.

$1m is not enough, there seems to be $5m set aside for the project. I also think she is probably better know than SSUS to the general public? hrough school lesson on nuclear stuff? Certainly she was even mentioned in my school lessons.

I don't think I would travel half-way across the world to visit her though, as I would perhaps SSUS or an unlikely Norway.

Pam


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joe at travelpage
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posted 08-09-2006 06:18 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nice little brochure from ASME here and details about the current and future projects here.

Joe at TravelPage.com

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dmwnc1
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posted 01-02-2009 11:23 AM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was scanning Flash Earth around Norfolk VA and found the NS Savannah docked in the Portsmouth Shipyard, to my surprise she wasnt laid up in the James River anymore.


After some research found she has since moved to Baltimore since May 08 and is in various stages of restoration.

May 08

Since September 08 she is sparkling!

Sept 08

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dmwnc1
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posted 01-02-2009 01:45 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Q. Is the Savannah open to the public? Can it be visited?

A. The ship is not open to the general public. It can be visited, however. The Savannah Technical Staff will receive requests to visit the ship, and will schedule periodic tours provided that these can be accommodated without interference to normal ship’s business.

For more information about touring the ship, please email Savannah@dot.gov and include “tour request” in the subject line.

Sounds like a Road Trip. May plan on going over in the Spring since its only a 4hr drive.


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mike sa
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posted 01-03-2009 12:07 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am not normally known for supporting the renovation etc of old ships, mainly because I have yet to see one success story and ships are ships, not hotels etc.

However on this occasion I would love to see Savannah saved for the future. She is firstly a lovely ship to look at, she defines an age both style wise and with her technology and she is of a size that means on going maintainance etc will be managable. It will also be much easier to define a purpose for her. If she were sailing again I wold book a place no doubt.


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posted 01-03-2009 09:19 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
I am not normally known for supporting the renovation etc of old ships, mainly because I have yet to see one success story and ships are ships, not hotels etc.

The SS Norway was a big success for many years.


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posted 01-03-2009 09:33 AM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dmwnc1:
...Sounds like a Road Trip. May plan on going over in the Spring since its only a 4hr drive.

I am up for that. Let me know when you are thinking about going.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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posted 01-03-2009 10:07 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Malcolm

She was very successful - as a ship doing what she was designed to do - carry pax albeit cruise pax not trans Atlantic. As a hotel I am sure she would have been a flop or mediocre at best.

There may be a time when more modern ships are coming to the end of their lives that a hotel option may be viable - I am thinking of ships like the newer Regent ships for instance that could lend themselves to this option - bigger cabins plenty of dining options etc that would only need "tarting" up rather than a complete strip out but they will still be expensive to operate and maintain thus will always have to rely on other factors to succeed.

All that said I still hope the Savannah project succeeds.


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posted 01-03-2009 10:31 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Hi Malcolm

She was very successful - as a ship doing what she was designed to do - carry pax albeit cruise pax not trans Atlantic. As a hotel I am sure she would have been a flop or mediocre at best.


Agreed.


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posted 01-03-2009 08:09 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember seeing Savannah when I visited Patriot's Point near Charleston SC but dont remember her being open at that time for tours. It had to be around the time just before she was removed to the Ghost Fleet in 1994? It's been almost 15 years ago.
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Garnett
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posted 01-03-2009 11:38 PM      Profile for Garnett   Email Garnett   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I too "toured" the Savannah several times when she was moored at Patriot's Point. During her tenure there, you were able to take a "self-guided" tour through the ship which took you through certain areas of the ship. If I recall correctly, the tour took you to the Control Room (or at least an observation platform for the Engine Room), the Bridge, and a few other trivial areas. I do not recall the tour accessing many of the passenger areas. However, on one occasion, there was a door that had been left open (probably unintentionally) that did allow entry into some of the stateroom areas. My recollection is that that area was in poor condition but still had some of the mattresses in the staterooms and some seating (sofas?) in the common areas or lobbies. I didn't really loiter long in the areas as the areas were unlit and I didn't feel safe wandering the passageways....even though the spaces were small. I have some 35mm photos around here somewhere...I'll see if I can find them and post.

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posted 01-04-2009 06:56 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm interesting project. Remember that here service never was successful. People where quite afraid of the nuclear plant a/b. Also the resistance of ports was great..... Do you know that Leonardo Da Vinci could converted to nuclear power.

I believe there was a topic about here last year and showing pictures of here interiors in bad shape.

Greetings Ben.


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dmwnc1
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posted 01-04-2009 07:04 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Garnett:
I have some 35mm photos around here somewhere...I'll see if I can find them and post.
Garnett

I'd love to see them posted here. Hope you find them.

quote:
Originally posted by Maasdam:
I believe there was a topic about here last year and showing pictures of here interiors in bad shape. Greetings Ben.

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posted 01-04-2009 08:30 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This found in another thread from 2005:

quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
Here are some photos from a brochure I have on the N.S. SAVANNAH. She was decorated in modern, minimalist style that you would expect from a nuclear ship showcasing the Atomic Age of the late 1950s.

Her Lounge:

Her Dining Room:

Her Veranda:

Rich


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Lubber
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posted 01-05-2009 08:24 AM      Profile for Lubber     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Hi Malcolm

She was very successful - as a ship doing what she was designed to do - carry pax albeit cruise pax not trans Atlantic. As a hotel I am sure she would have been a flop or mediocre at best.

There may be a time when more modern ships are coming to the end of their lives that a hotel option may be viable - I am thinking of ships like the newer Regent ships for instance that could lend themselves to this option - bigger cabins plenty of dining options etc that would only need "tarting" up rather than a complete strip out but they will still be expensive to operate and maintain thus will always have to rely on other factors to succeed.

All that said I still hope the Savannah project succeeds.


Savannah is the last classic ship I'd worry about, since her fate is protected by SAFSTOR for the time being. The worst that would happen is that no museum could/would take her, and she'd eventually transfer from her layberth back to James River... but even then, she'd still be cathodically protected.

She was indeed successful in the role for which she was designed, but that realization came after the fact. Her safety record was clean, and her operation would have been almost cost-equivalent to traditional steamships in the midst of the oil embargo... but she was taken out of service several years previous and deemed too expensive to be commercially viable.

She had far too few staterooms to be a viable hotel, and her cargo spaces were compromised by her design, so she did neither role well although she did ship Guinness from Ireland to the US (a crucial cargo ship role IMHO). She was mostly designed to look good.


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I thought I would resurrect this thread since her name has come up recently. It may be of interest to SSTRAVELLER and Lubber with her updated status.

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