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thundergod
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posted 07-12-2006 03:27 AM      Profile for thundergod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Today is a sad day. 5 years ago the wonderfull Gripsholm (renamed the Sea) sank under tow outside South Africa.
At this time there were talks about save her and bring her to stockholm as a floating student hotel. But the politicians could not make up their mindes in time and postponed the final meeting untill after the summer 2001..
There were detailed plans for refurbishment done. The only ting that was missing was the final GO

A nice page about Gripsholm


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Linerrich
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posted 07-12-2006 07:07 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for sharing this fine website! I knew the ship well as REGENT SEA during the late '80s, some 20 years after these photos, yet the ship was little-changed. Sad that she sank under tow, but perhaps better than seeing her torn apart on the beach!

Rich


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thundergod
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posted 07-12-2006 07:35 AM      Profile for thundergod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would be very interesting if you have som photos from the Regent Sea era to share? Were she in god shape in the mid 90´s when she were taken out of service to be a casino ship?
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Ernst
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posted 07-12-2006 07:37 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you for posting the linl to this website. I nearly had my first cruise with her - she will always be a special ship for me.
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NAL
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posted 07-12-2006 07:43 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I only sailed a/b Gripsholm one time, and she was a
very special ship. She was the favorite ship of the actress Helen Hayes who was a/b often. She seemed to have a slight edge over the newer Kungsholm with many SAL regulars. Can anyone
give details on this?

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Linerrich
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posted 07-12-2006 09:17 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by thundergod:
[QB]It would be very interesting if you have som photos from the Regent Sea era to share? QB]

I've put together an album from old photos I took in the late 1980s when I was on board. Some of the interiors are dark, but it was an old camera with a poor flash--not as sophisticated as today's digital cameras!

The ship was in good shape for her age; at least I thought so, but I appreciated her qualities better than most. Accommodations for the crew was not the best, but for us officers it was just fine.

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Rich


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Ernst
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posted 07-12-2006 09:20 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

THANK YOU!

You might all remeber that Transocean wanted to relaunch her as Gripsholm - they could not because she was in a miserable state - her hull had at lot of concrete patches. So they had to switch to the Sagafjord in the "last moment" - only to run aground with her....

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DAMBROSI
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posted 07-12-2006 09:32 AM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is very sad indeed. My late husband and I were agents when she was the REGENT SEA. What a beautiful ship she was...a real pity I did'nt get to take more photos of her. An elegant dining room with stairs going down into it. The last time we saw her as the SEA, was in Tampa...I think we were on the CELEBRATION. I managed to get a lot of exterior photos of her...and she just looked very sad. I miss this ship too.
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TampaMike
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posted 07-12-2006 10:15 AM      Profile for TampaMike   Email TampaMike   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, 'SEA' sat in Tampa Bay for several years. Interestingly she, and 'SUN' (former Doric, Royal Odyssey & Regent Sun) was at the same dock in Tampa Bay afterwards, same dilemma as to her next use and ultimately towed and lost at sea enroute to the breakers as her former fleet mate 'SEA'.

Brittanis also, sat in Tampa Bay, was towed away and......

hmmmm, do I see a pattern here?


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Linerrich
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posted 07-12-2006 11:00 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by TampaMike:
Yes, 'SEA' sat in Tampa Bay for several years. Interestingly she, and 'SUN' (former Doric, Royal Odyssey & Regent Sun) was at the same dock in Tampa Bay afterwards, same dilemma as to her next use and ultimately towed and lost at sea enroute to the breakers as her former fleet mate 'SEA'.

Brittanis also, sat in Tampa Bay, was towed away and......

hmmmm, do I see a pattern here?


You're right, the REGENT SUN sank less than a fortnight after REGENT SEA, on 25 July 2001, so the 5th anniversary of her loss is coming soon, too.

Rich


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TCSsa
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posted 07-12-2006 12:17 PM      Profile for TCSsa   Email TCSsa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi!
Thanks for the pics of the REGENT SEA and the great site about the GRIPSHOLM. What a great lady of the seas. I wonder why that area between the funnels was never turned into a real health/fitness area or a disco?? Was'nt her lido deck moved when she was sold to Karageorgis in 1975?? Did'nt she also do an around South America cruise like another classic ship the S/S BRITANIS?? Was'nt she supposed to do an Around the World Cruise in 96,did she undertake this voyage or was that cancelled when Regency went bankrupt??
TCS

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Linerrich
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posted 07-12-2006 01:03 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by TCSsa:
Hi!
Thanks for the pics of the REGENT SEA and the great site about the GRIPSHOLM. What a great lady of the seas. I wonder why that area between the funnels was never turned into a real health/fitness area or a disco?? Was'nt her lido deck moved when she was sold to Karageorgis in 1975?? Did'nt she also do an around South America cruise like another classic ship the S/S BRITANIS?? Was'nt she supposed to do an Around the World Cruise in 96,did she undertake this voyage or was that cancelled when Regency went bankrupt??
TCS

I don't know why the covered Sports Deck was never utilized as anything else--the area was certainly hot and not used in tropical climates!

You're right about Karageorgis moving the Lido area--when the ship became NAVARINO they moved the pool from Upper Deck to Verandah Deck, installing additional cabins on Upper Deck aft.

REGENT SEA made a 47-day South America cruise in late 1990, duplicating what BRITANIS had done for several years. She also did a South America cruise in late 1995--I believe it was during this time that Regency folded and the cruise cut short. She was slated for a World Cruise in early 1996, which never came to pass.

Rich

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 07-12-2006 03:08 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw her docked in Tampa in the late 90s. Her funnels were painted black and the alterations made to them in her later years appeared to have been removed.
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NAL
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posted 07-12-2006 09:20 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Linerrich. That's a great album. It's interesting to see how much furniture still remained
from the Gripsholm days. She was a very cozy, comfy liner. It's easy to see how she appealed to the loyalists who frequented her.

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bearbuns
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posted 07-12-2006 10:23 PM      Profile for bearbuns        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you thundergod...a wonderful album and I especially enjoyed the information on Gripsholm 1. She was the first crossing I ever made on one of her first trips taking passengers from the US to Sweden I think it was in early 1946. It was the first ship my Mom could get us passage on to get to Norway and see how our family was after the war. We crossed in the winter months and I was not quite 3 yrs old so I don't have any real memories... just the stories my Mom told me about the trip and about having a fire onboard during the night. Quite frightening it was for them all on deck in lifejackets in the cold winter on the North Atlantic. I still have a postcard of her from the trip and somewhere my little Gripsholm pin that the Captain gave me to wear supposedly because I was such a good little girl! I'm quite sure we returned on her too. Cheers, Penny
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Ernst
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posted 07-12-2006 10:47 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear Penny, thanks for sharing your interesting story - must have been frightening indeed.

In 1946 you of course have been on this Gripsholm - not that this is a disadvantage.


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thundergod
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posted 07-13-2006 08:31 AM      Profile for thundergod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you Linerrich for a great album with pics!

Does anyone know the reason why she sank? apart from the storm.. Maybe there were portholes that were open?


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Linerrich
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posted 07-13-2006 08:37 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by thundergod:

Does anyone know the reason why she sank? apart from the storm.. Maybe there were portholes that were open?

Many passenger ships have sunk while under tow, usually not due to storm activity (SEABREEZE was an exception, perhaps.) But also lost in recent years have been CONSTITUTION, BRITANIS, REGENT SUN, RYNDAM, etc. while being towed.

I wonder if it's because their bilge pumps are not operating while under tow--all ships take on water, but it's usually pumped out constantly from various pumps.

Maybe someone with more technical understanding of these things can shed some light on this?

Rich


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bearbuns
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posted 07-13-2006 09:02 PM      Profile for bearbuns        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello Ernst...yes, it was the first Gripsholm that we traveled on only the postcard I have from that trip shows her to be white (or perhaps gray). It's a bit old by now! I don't know how to post it unfortunately. I remember my Mom telling me when I was older that she had no idea how my Dad managed to get us on the ship at that time but that he had "made a phone call" and somehow we got on. She'd had no contact with her family at all during the war so we didn't know when we got there what we'd find but she was determined to go home!

After I wrote my post last night I felt compelled to find that silly little pin...and I did. I've transferred it from jewelry box to jewelry box as I grew up and there it was. It's a pretty round pin in Swedish blue enamel edged in gold with the 3 crowns in gold on the blue and a white enamel half circle around the bottom of the pin that says m/s Gripsholm in gold. Considering its age it's in wonderful condition. Just one of those silly treasures we can't part with when we loved the old ships. I have many old Norske Amerika Linje treasures too ffrom the crossings that I remember much better than this one.

Thank you for posting that link for Gripsholm. Cheers, Penny


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posted 07-13-2006 09:13 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear Penny,

Due to the fact that I am too young I never had the opportunity to travel with SAL. To my understanding it was them who built the reputation for Scandinavian ships - which in a very peculiar way has been transferred to the Norwegians (NAL - Royal Viking) when the ceased operation.
I don not want to be ungrateful as I have been lucky enough to have undertaken some nice journeys by ship but I envy your pin - less for the pin itself but for the voyages it stands for.

Greetings

Ernst


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Wow, thanks for the photos, I sailed the first leg of her South America cruise in the ealry 90's out of Tampa when I was just out of college. Its amazing I can not remember exploring that ship from top to bottom. I wish I had at the time. What a piece of history. I do remeber the wacky cabin, long with a chair by a port hole, parge bed, sink in the cabin and a huge bath tub. The most cut up cabin ever, midship...facinating
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Speaking of oddly shaped cabins and SAL, the older Kungsholm of '53 which later became NGL's Europa and Costa's Columbus C, had all outside cabins, but many had long halls leading to a port at the end. They were really inside cabins, but with a hall leading to the port they magically became outside cabins. I actually liked them because you could stand at the port and look out unlike lots of ships at the time which had a bed under the port and it was necessary to stand on the bed to look out.
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Quote Ernst "I envy your pin - less for the pin itself but for the voyages it stands for."

Hi Ernst....And that is why we sentimental types save these silly things for almost 60 years. My home office is donimated by a wonderful 1920's or 30's orginal travel poster of SS Stavangerfjord, the love of my childhood sailing life. I paid WAY too much for it and wouldn't part with it for the world. My Dad emigrated to the US back in the mid 19-teens on the Frederick VIII of the old Scandinavina American Lines...my Mom came on Stavangerfjord shortly after...as you can see,my ties to the old Scandinavian lines go a long way back. I always thought they were the best in the world! Must be that Viking heritage!!! Cheers, Penny

PS...and I envy you your extensive knowledge of ships so that makes us even


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posted 07-17-2006 09:05 AM      Profile for thundergod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About the all outside cabins.. i think Gripsholm and Kungsholm 53 had the same layout, but they changed it when the last Kungsholm was designed.. She have inside cabins.

I´m also interested in on what areas the old SAL -people thinks that Gripsholm was the better one over Kungsholm 66? I have allways got the impression that Kungsholm 66 was one of the best cruiseships ever made? Both in design, features etc? In Sweden Kungsholm is called "Epokernas fartyg" maybe you could translate that to "the ship of the century" or something like that


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posted 07-18-2006 11:51 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the pictures Linerrich.
Of all the Regency ships at the time I worked on the Star, the Sun was the better though French crews preferred the Sea for her itinerary.
Your photos shows how untouched she was compared to the Sun and Star which suffered from disastrous 70's refits.
Rainbow kept her turbines(wisely after Star's disastrous remotoring), and incredibly, still sails as Emerald for Thompson.
I never saw the SEA, but my pictures of Kristina Regina in the Canaries reminded me of the fantastic mvKungsholm!

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