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Linerdan
First Class Passenger
Member # 4719

posted 05-24-2006 01:05 AM

It has been posted on Maritime Matters of a name change for the Indy.Lets see what happens now.

INDEPENDENCE Renamed

May 23: SS INDEPENDENCE has been laid up at pier 70 in San Francisco since July 26, 2004. Recent eye witness reports say the name was painted out over the last two days and replaced with OCEANIC. The former American Export Liner was renamed OCEANIC INDPENDENCE after C.Y. Tung bought the ship in 1974, the prefix was dropped in 1982.

[ 05-24-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 05-24-2006 02:06 AM

Sounds scary. Ship owners often change the names of their ships before sending them to the breakers?

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Linerdan
First Class Passenger
Member # 4719

posted 05-24-2006 02:29 AM

I sorta have the same hunch...........besides someone seeing the name been repainted, everything else is very quiet so to speak.

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
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posted 05-24-2006 08:01 AM

I will be in San Fran soon and know for sure.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 05-24-2006 08:28 AM

Equasis advises she was renamed Oceanic back in Oct last year, along with the tfr of ownership to California Manufacturing [an NCL subsidiary set up for her initial purchase & nothing to do with the company which appears on the net making pickles etc]. This is presumably just 'paperwork'. cljw's photos taken on 15 May show the name 'Independence', so it seems they have just got around to adding the new name now. I don't think there is anything onerous behind it?

Pam

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J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 05-24-2006 09:49 AM

Well perhaps they were just waiting for good weather to tow her away. A name change like that cant be good is what I would tend to think.

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 05-24-2006 10:14 AM

Name changes comes with the legal jumble big corporations are associated with.
Who knows what lies beneath this name change, a way to cut back on taxes? Perhaps for assurance ? Or the ship has been sold for some reason?

Onno

Still I have the feeling Indy will never be seen again as a sailing ship, just an object NCL bought so that it won’t fall in the hands of the competition.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 05-24-2006 10:40 AM

It would be interesting to know the reason for the name change (curiouse as I am) - but I would not overrate it.

More interesting than these legal/formal issues is of course why NCL is still keeping these vessels - if keeping them away from competitors is the only reason they could have scrapped them - on the other hand Norway and Clemenceau teach us that it can be difficult to scrap such a vessel.

[ 05-24-2006: Message edited by: Ernst ]

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avalon1025
First Class Passenger
Member # 5383

posted 05-24-2006 04:05 PM

I can see the Indie from my kitchen, I will have to look to see what her bow says as far as her name. It would be so sad to see her go, i've grown so used to seeing her each morning.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 05-24-2006 04:33 PM

Watching my cat chase birds & squirrels [up the trees] and hedgehogs through the grass, is decidedly boring compared to some peoples' views from home... Grrr

Pam <makes note to put house on the market>

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BigUFan
First Class Passenger
Member # 1382

posted 05-24-2006 04:36 PM

Oh boy. This is bad. I can't help but agree with everyone else that thinks so. It is, after all, common practice.

I hope anyone that has anything to do with the Big U outside of NCL are keeping a close eye on this. Scrapping the Indy would be sad, but scrapping the U would be criminal, notwithstanding some public opinion on the matter suggesting that maybe it is her best fate. I'd rather see her sunk than scrapped. Such is a more fitting demise for a ship of her status.

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 05-24-2006 05:50 PM

Scrapping the Indy would be sad, but she has had a very long life, two great careers, and it could be time for her to go. I think she might make a nice hotel, as her cabins are pretty large, and her profile is quite classic. I could see her in NYC or maybe SF, tied up at the waterfront as a hotel with bars and resturaunts. I think it could work for her.

Thad

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 05-24-2006 07:08 PM

Changing her name (unless it id for her delivery voyage to the scrappers) seems pointless. The steel letters spelling out INDEPENDENCE would clearly be seen on her bow and stern.

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avalon1025
First Class Passenger
Member # 5383

posted 05-25-2006 12:03 PM

Its true! I passed by her today and her bow reads "OCEANIC". Surpisingly the font and lettering is very nice, deco almost and fitting for the old gal. I hope she is not going anywhere, and if she is she sinks like her sister, a more fitting end. Last night I watched an old "I LOVE LUCY" where she misses the ship (Constitution) and just above my TV I could see those famous stacks of her sister...

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gpcruisedude
First Class Passenger
Member # 3533

posted 05-26-2006 09:21 PM

Now its a little odd for anyone to make lettering nice if only temporary..for a delivery voyage! How many scrap yards make their lettering nice never mind readable! So this must mean that she was renamed for some other Reasons!!

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 05-27-2006 11:50 AM

I mentioned the renaming to my dad last night and his immediate response was, "She's being scrapped then."

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 05-27-2006 12:49 PM

Can someone snap a picture, please!!!!

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-27-2006 04:38 PM

I also think that they are about to scrap her.

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 05-27-2006 04:56 PM

Perhaps she is going back to Hong Kong...OR

A World Explorer Cruise/CY Tung group rebirth?

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Linerdan
First Class Passenger
Member # 4719

posted 05-27-2006 05:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Waynaro:
Perhaps she is going back to Hong Kong...OR
A World Explorer Cruise/CY Tung group rebirth?

Lets hope history dosent repeat itself.We already had a viking funneral in Hong Kong with the Lizzie.

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empressport
First Class Passenger
Member # 2511

posted 05-28-2006 01:11 PM

Why not just christen her SS Razor Blades and be done with it!

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J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 05-28-2006 05:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by empressport:
Why not just christen her SS Razor Blades and be done with it!

Sadly enough I have to agree that that will be her fate. The Independence is far too unknown and "unimportant" to be returned to service. The somewhat famous SSUS has a chance but as you know I think that that is an extrordinarily slim one.

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dmwnc1
Cruise Director
Member # 3785

posted 05-28-2006 05:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Onno:
Can someone snap a picture, please!!!!

Anyone in the Bay area take care of this yet...you are our link to this historic event. Dont let us down!

quote:
Originally posted by avalon1025:
I can see the Indie from my kitchen, I will have to look to see what her bow says as far as her name. It would be so sad to see her go, i've grown so used to seeing her each morning.

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avalon1025
First Class Passenger
Member # 5383

posted 05-28-2006 10:26 PM

Sure, I'll drive down tomorrow and take a few pictures of the new name. Please let me know where to e-mail it to

Thanks!

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 05-28-2006 10:31 PM

It is easy to upload pictures to the photo gallery. Actually, we all would be happy if it would be a bit easier

- but you will be fine for one or two pictures. If you have problems send me a private message - I can do this for you if you want - we need to see this.

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