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posted 05-09-2006 11:16 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Greenpeace opposes breaking up of asbestos-carrying cruise liner in Indian shipyard
Written by AP
May 9, 2006

NEW DELHI -- Greenpeace on Tuesday said India should bar a decommissioned Malaysian cruise liner from being dismantled on its shores because it contains toxic substances that could pollute the environment and endanger the health of workers.

Greenpeace said an Indian company, Regent Shipping, had bought the SS France from Star Cruises, a Malaysian company, to break it up at the Alang shipyard in Gujarat state and sell the scrap steel in the Indian market.

"The ship carries over 900 metric tons of asbestos and is contaminated with other toxics material such as the globally banned and cancer-causing chemicals known as polychlorinated biphenyl and heavy metals," said Rampati Kumar, a toxics campaigner for Greenpeace.

The ship has already left Malaysia and is scheduled to arrive in Alang later this month, Kumar said.

Three months ago, the French government was forced to recall the asbestos-carrying Clemenceau, a decommissioned French aircraft carrier also bound for Alang, after protests from environmental groups and Indian trade unions.

Greenpeace has written a letter to India's Environment Ministry, but so far there has been no response from the government, Kumar told reporters.

The bulk of the world's ship breaking - considered among one of the most polluting industries - is carried out in yards in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan.

Kumar said the operation at Alang jeopardized the health of nearly 10,000 workers there.

Despite a widespread consensus that Alang should be closed, "there is no political interest beyond lip service within the Indian government about the ship breaking issue," he said.

India's Environment Ministry could not immediately be reached for comment.

PlanetSave / AP


See also:

Indian Firms bidding for SS NORWAY

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posted 05-09-2006 04:52 PM      Profile for viking109        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
www.tug-barge.com now has SS Norway listed as on tow to Alang for demolition !!!
Sounds a bit too final

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posted 05-09-2006 05:14 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Three months ago, the French government was forced to recall the asbestos-carrying Clemenceau, a decommissioned French aircraft carrier also bound for Alang, after protests from environmental groups and Indian trade unions.

What ever happened to her?


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posted 05-09-2006 05:45 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope Greenpeace sends a vessel out there to stop her from being beached....I'd rather her sink before she gets there, than to have a torch touch her.
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posted 05-09-2006 05:59 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Please be carful using the word 'touch' in context with ships, models or anything else....
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posted 05-09-2006 08:27 PM      Profile for elad   Email elad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i too have herared that the ss Nrway was built with the use of asbestos. i think it effected the worker's health. (the workers who built this liner)

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Ernst
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posted 05-09-2006 08:32 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We all should not forget that the bigger scandal is not that the France is going to be scrapped but how these poor people have to do that - THIS IS A SHAME!
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posted 05-10-2006 12:26 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Ernst wrote:
We all should not forget that the bigger scandal is not that the France is going to be scrapped but how these poor people have to do that - THIS IS A SHAME!

Well that's what Greenpeace is also fighting about. People at Alang and other third world scrapping yards have been abused for too long, maybe with the recall of CLEMENCEAU and now this issue with SS NORWAY the tide will turn.

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posted 05-10-2006 10:11 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Greenpeace: Clemenceau lesson not learned
May 9, 2006

NEW DELHI, -- Greenpeace has said the Indian government did not learn any lessons from the controversy over the French battleship Clemenceau.

The Hindu newspaper said Wednesday that the imminent arrival of the SS Norway, carrying over 900 tons of asbestos for ship-breaking at Alang, in Gujarat, suggests that the Indian government has learnt nothing from the issues raised by the controversy over the toxic French battleship Clemenceau.

The SS Norway ocean liner left Malaysia's west coast last Friday, and is expected to reach Alang on May 23. It belonged to Malaysian Star Cruise Limited, and was purchased by a private shipping company at Alang for $17 million.

"Despite overwhelming evidence (and) widespread public opinion that Alang is a national shame and must be swiftly reformed, there is no political interest beyond lip service within the government of India about the ship-breaking issue," Ramapati Kumar, Greenpeace activist, said.

Kumar said the SS Norway was contaminated with globally banned and cancer-causing chemicals, known as polychlorinated biphenyl, and heavy metals. Even Bangladesh had refused to permit the ship-breaking to occur on its shores, he added.

A Greenpeace statement said India's Ministry of Environment and Forests had failed to ensure workers' protection and environmental safety at Alang, and that these problems were compounded by the fact that the ship-breaking has no intention of improving conditions.

"If stakeholders in India, led by the government, do not rise to the occasion now and secure Alang's place in the new evolving world order in the shipping industry, the loss will be irretrievable, and India will no longer be a destination of choice for recycling of ships," Kumar warned.

United Press International


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posted 05-10-2006 03:01 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just proves that some people will stop at nothing to make money, no matter who gets hurt.
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posted 05-10-2006 03:45 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is not as simple as that though. The workers have no way of making any money whatsoever without ships to scrap; no means of feeding their family etc. There's no free handhout. These people need the work, be it dangerous or not. To them, no work is worse than risky work.

They are not doing this to become rich and live the life of Riley, but to purely exist.

Pam

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posted 05-10-2006 05:08 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As for most problems in developing countries solutions are not easy - Alang feeds indeed a lot of people - but this does not mean that one must not do anything about it . This can not be done overnight - but every journey begins with the first step.
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posted 05-10-2006 05:54 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course, but Greenpeace putting a big full stop is not the right way.. imho of course A contingent from Alang went to France to learn the right ways of dealing with asbestos for Clemenceau, but that wasn't good enough for Greenpeace. The best bet is for someone to invest in the right equipment in Alang, maybe they already have some?

The 10,000 workers quoted above, has now fallen to around 3,500 according to here. The real figure is probably between the two.

Pam


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posted 05-10-2006 05:56 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Greenpeace is rarely right.
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posted 05-10-2006 11:19 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Ernst wrote:
Greenpeace is rarely right.

But not 100 per cent wrong. They are not my favourites, but you do need to give them credit on certain issues, at least it makes people aware of what is going on.

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posted 05-10-2006 11:25 PM      Profile for Grant   Email Grant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd like to cut up and scrap Greenpeace!
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posted 05-10-2006 11:48 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:

But not 100 per cent wrong. They are not my favourites, but you do need to give them credit on certain issues, at least it makes people aware of what is going on.

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I did not say that - but they are far from being my favourites either - a lot they do is just populist.


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posted 05-11-2006 10:29 AM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
They are not doing this to become rich and live the life of Riley, but to purely exist.

I was actually referring more to the people running the business and not necessarily those in their employ. With or without asbestos, shipbreaking is a dangerous activity. But then, much as with trash collection, somebody has to do it.


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posted 05-11-2006 12:28 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
BigUFan wrote:
...With or without asbestos, shipbreaking is a dangerous activity. But then, much as with trash collection, somebody has to do it.

...and of course under the right health and safety conditons.

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posted 05-13-2006 05:50 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is the latest news regarding the asbestos situation aboard BLUE LADY, and her destination Alang, taken from the Reuters website:

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India's Supreme Court refused on Friday to stop a former cruise liner that environmental activists say has hundreds of tonnes of toxic material on board from entering Indian waters.

Greenpeace and other groups say the 46,000-tonne Blue Lady contains more than 900 tonnes of asbestos and is sailing for Alang in the western state of Gujarat to be scrapped.

Indian yards lack the modern technology to safely handle such waste, putting the health of workers at risk, activists say.

The court instead referred the matter to an expert panel appointed by it earlier this year to look into the working conditions at Alang, home to scores of family-run shipbreakers.

"We will not pass any (banning) orders without a report," a judge said after hearing a plea by the Research Foundation for Science, Technology and Environment.

The court set the next hearing for July, when it would consider the evidence of experts, but environmental groups say the Blue Lady was expected to enter Indian waters in late May after setting sail from Malaysia.

In February, the French government recalled a mothballed aircraft carrier containing tonnes of asbestos, and being readied for scrapping at the Gujarat yards, after protests and court action led by Greenpeace.

"It is so unfortunate the government has failed to find a comprehensive solution to the problems of the ship-breaking industry that impact on workers' health," Ramapati Kumar, a Greenpeace campaigner said.

Thousands of workers in the ship-breaking industry in countries such as India, China and Pakistan had probably died over the past two decades in accidents or exposure to toxic waste, a Greenpeace report published in December said.

The Blue Lady, which entered service in 1962 under a different name, was owned by Malaysia's Star Cruises Ltd when a boiler room explosion killed seven of its crew in May 2003.


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I agree with Pam, You can not stop the scrapping completly. I think an better plan is start to modernize the Alang scrapyard industry. And turn the whole scrap industry in a modern and safe industry as the Turks dith.

But it's not only Alang but al scrapyards in devoleping country's. Maybe interresting to look at the owners of ships. And force theme to take actions so that there ships can be dismanteled in a safe way. I now it's populair talk and i have no idea how you cane force shipowners to take action, so there ships can dismanteled in a safe way.

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This news article is four days old, but I thought it was interesting that Alang claims to have suddenly acquired the training and facilities to dispose of 50,000 tons of asbestos. There is also mention of outsourcing of hazardous materials handling.

Alang Yard Back In News

In another more recent news report, the Indian Supreme Court has denied entry of Blue Lady until they receive a report from their special committee.


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posted 05-14-2006 12:22 PM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When you read the article from the above link, you'll find this:
"Mr. Kanakiya said he was not even aware if any Alang-based consortium had bought the ship, claimed to be the second largest in the world after the ill-fated Titanic..."

...who "claimed" that? ...probably a well informed journalist, not full of popular and easy clichés again...


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quote:
Originally posted by Vaccaro:
When you read the article from the above link, you'll find this:
"Mr. Kanakiya said he was not even aware if any Alang-based consortium had bought the ship, claimed to be the second largest in the world after the ill-fated Titanic..."

...who "claimed" that? ...probably a well informed journalist, not full of popular and easy clichés again...


Are they talking about France??? second largest to Titanic????!?!?

I really wsh these people would do their research.


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quote:
Originally posted by J.S.S.Normandie:
I really wsh these people would do their research.
What about this fabulous (!) quote:-
quote:
... that SS Norway, better known as Blue Lady, was on its way to Alang ...
The other way round, methinks.

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