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Beezo
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posted 05-08-2005 01:45 PM      Profile for Beezo   Author's Homepage   Email Beezo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NORWAY News
May 8: SS NORWAY (ex FRANCE) is now rumoured to be leaving Bremerhaven next week under tow to Singapore. Pending approval from various authorities plans for her convertion to a casino and hotel ship at an amusement resort island near the Singapore cruise terminal. If the work goes ahead it will be done at the Sembawang Shipyard in Singapore. If approvals do not materialize, an alternative plan will see the ship operate very slow speed casino cruises on her two undamaged boilers, most likely from Singapore.

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NorwayViking
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posted 05-08-2005 02:59 PM      Profile for NorwayViking   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"an amusement resort island near the Singapore cruise terminal" got to be the island of Sentosa I guess?
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Patsy
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posted 05-08-2005 03:37 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How long would this approval take? Would they tow her out there before getting it? When I read this a horrible thought of a fire during conversion came into my mind. They wouldn't do that, would they?
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Ðraikar
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posted 05-08-2005 04:07 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So if she dose get approval from various authorities and undergoes a conversion to a casino / hotel ship will they rip-out her two working boilers ?

Dose Star Cruises still own her ?

[ 05-08-2005: Message edited by: Ðraikar ]


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gpcruisedude
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posted 05-08-2005 07:49 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I knew she was going to be used for some kind of casino operation in the Far East, And as I mentioned in a previous post a floating hotel/casino would make the most logical sense especially since her owners Genting International who own Star Cruises are BIG TIME into gambling/casinos in the far east area of Malaysia!

But I never thought they would think of slow speed casino cruises, Could it be done?? Is it possible for her to operate with only 2 boilers?? Wouldn't be a bad idea, actually a brilliant one to say the least!

What would determine if she could serve as floating stationary casino/hotel or operate slow speed cruises??


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Deck 9 001
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posted 05-09-2005 12:24 AM      Profile for Deck 9 001     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Singapore Government has just recently approved 2 licenses for a casino operation.

No doubt that Genting has a license.
Therefore, Norway could very well remain active.


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r.fiebig
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posted 05-09-2005 07:44 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
gpcruisedude,

of course it would be possible to operate her on two boilers. Actually, that's what she did frequently - unless a third boiler was needed on the longer legs of her cruises.


Best,

Raoul


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gpcruisedude
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posted 05-09-2005 07:03 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If she operated as a casino/hotel ship on slow speed casino cruises, she would be the Largest Casino ship afloat. And I believe it would be the best use for her with Star, I think she could probably do quite well as she is large and could hold many casino rooms without even touching any of her accomodation!
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posted 05-09-2005 07:26 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Using the remainding two boilers are risky. I remember Mr. Veitch saying that any remainding boilers could explode anytime. I don't think Star/NCL wants to be in the news again with the NORWAY....

I really hope NORWAY sails again, but honestly, she will most likely be a floating casino...

[ 05-09-2005: Message edited by: Keitaro ]


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Beezo
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posted 05-09-2005 10:33 PM      Profile for Beezo   Author's Homepage   Email Beezo   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
I remember Mr. Veitch saying that any remainding boilers could explode anytime.

when did he say that??

~Brian


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r.fiebig
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posted 05-10-2005 07:48 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Brian,

Colin Veitch didn't say it in exactly that way. What he said, however, is that the cause for the boiler explosion is still unknown. He added that because of that and with three identical boilers of the same vintage remaining, it would be too risky to operate the "Norway" with her current propulsion system as the remaining boilers might also blow up all of a sudden. It's not that he expects this to happen, but as nobody has a clue as to the cause of the Miami explosion, nobody knows if the remaining boilers will operate safely in the future.


Best,

Raoul


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DAMBROSI
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posted 05-10-2005 09:30 AM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I found this on the BBC online News Section...I was able to find 2 photos showing the SS SEABREEZE 1 in rough seas prior to her sinking. This quote I'm putting in is from the time the former ex GALILEO, SUN VISTA sank in 2000. Read this quote and you'll see why I'm a bit concerned now about the SS NORWAY:
quote:
Bahamas Maritime Authority Report Critical of Sun Vista Cruise Ship Management 
The Bahamas Maritime authority (BMA) issued its report on the ill fated cruise ship, the Sun Vista, which caught fire and sank in the straits of Malacca in May of 1999.  The report concluded that Sun Vista was an old ship which was in poor mechanical condition and required considerable refurbishment of the main and auxiliary machinery and safety equipment.  The BMA report further claims that the ship's management company, Sembawang Shipmanagement, formerly a unit of Sembcorp Industries (since divested to Norway's Tschudi & Eitzen), was aware of the vessel's problems, but the vessel was allowed to continue in service with the crew having to deal with machinery breakdowns on a frequent basis...

What does this say to you all??? Does it run shivers up and down your spine as it does mine right now???

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kph06
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posted 05-11-2005 03:03 PM      Profile for kph06   Email kph06   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey,

I just noticed this on Maritime Matters, notice the part about the current owners.

quote:
May 11: The towage company division of SMIT, SMITWIJS, has reportedly been contracted to tow NORWAY from Bremerhaven around South Africa. NORWAY has an NCL crew of 40 on board, her destination is named as Singapore. Environmentalists in Germany have demanded the removal of asbestos before the ship leaves, as some shipping sources have already named Indian breakers as the current owners of the vessel. The ex FRANCE has been laid up at the Bremerhaven since July 2003 after a fatal boiler explosion in Miami in May of that year. The tug towing the ship will be the Chinese tug DE DA.

Kevin


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Waynaro
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quote:
Originally posted by kph06:
Environmentalists in Germany have demanded the removal of asbestos before the ship leaves, as some shipping sources have already named Indian breakers as the current owners of the vessel.

I really hope her current owners are not Indian breakers. If it is the case, then I guess our predictions will be correct....Star/NCL will announce that she "has been recently sold to breakers and will head to Alang" on its way to Singapore...

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joe at travelpage
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posted 05-11-2005 07:21 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kph06:
Hey,

I just noticed this on Maritime Matters, notice the part about the current owners.

Kevin


It reads like a re-hash of news that's been floating around Cruise Talk and the web for weeks. See Cruise News the past several weeks.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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posted 05-11-2005 11:10 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes I totally agree with Joe, and dont forget SMIT has orders to tow her to Port Klang, but why would they tow her around Africa instead of going through the Suez?? Is this the best passage to take with Norway and will she be okay with the tug towing her around Africa?? Im assuming her crew will be with her and will her captain be steering her as the tug is pulling?? And will they have some kind of back up plan if they run into a storm or foul weather?? I would assume her crew will play an active role in her passage to Port Klang!!
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posted 05-11-2005 11:14 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe; What would you say is the most reliable source of news on the web, would you say its maritime matters,seatrade or cruise news here on Cruiseserver! Or I guess Raoul too! I know Tim at Lauderdale is definentley someone to listen too!Also Peter is a good source too!
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posted 05-11-2005 11:16 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry I meant Patrick not Peter?? ::
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steeplechase
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posted 05-12-2005 08:31 AM      Profile for steeplechase   Author's Homepage   Email steeplechase   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They must be going to sink her what other reason to tow that far around instead of the canal?
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PamM
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posted 05-12-2005 10:50 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The rules and regs of the Suez Canal are many, I am not sure a tow of Norway through is viable?

One regulation states "Towed units are not allowed to transit the Suez Canal, unless they are towed by a tug suitable to the size of the unit and powerful enough to maintain a speed in the Canal not less than 12 Km/h over the ground, in addition to the assisting SC. tugs, whenever find necessary by SC Officials"

Is that possible? Looking back at Rotterdam's tow to Gib, she averaged between 5 & 7kts in the open sea. If Norway could pass through the canal a 2nd tug may well be required by the authorities too, putting up the costs somewhat.

a bit of trivia.. DE DA was the tug towing Constitution on her fateful day.

Pam


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posted 05-12-2005 11:04 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

a bit of trivia.. DE DA was the tug towing Constitution on her fateful day.


Well that sounds like the "Kiss of Death"!


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quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

a bit of trivia.. DE DA was the tug towing Constitution on her fateful day.

OH MY..... .....I hope NCL is aware of this.

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DE DA DE DA DE DUM.. what does DE DA mean in Chinese?

Pam


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Quote: DE DA DE DA DE DUM.. what does DE DA mean in Chinese?


Its a old saying meaning "Beware of loose tow rope on leaking vessel".

[ 05-13-2005: Message edited by: Linerdan ]


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Hope the crew this time has a camera on board to capture her rolling on her side before for the final plunge. One was conveniently missing when the Connie went down.
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