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Ocean Liners
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posted 09-19-2004 09:22 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
S.A.Vaal could carry 725 passengers in one class and served two sitting in 418 seats dining room.

I was wondering on Festivale's Passenger Capacity and number of Seats in the Continental restaurant.

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posted 09-19-2004 10:58 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
George (Ocean Liners), do you have any scans of the FESTIVALE by any chance? Thanks in advance
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posted 09-19-2004 11:15 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Keitaro, I 'd like to swap deck plans If you send me one of deck plans or brochures which I haven't
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Okay George, specific cruise lines, year, destination, or etc?

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posted 09-19-2004 11:24 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fiesta Marina Cruises or Crown Cruises 1991 or 1992 edition.
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posted 09-19-2004 11:27 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Festivale's full capacity was 1432 but normal cruise capacity was 1148 in 567 doubles and 14 singles.

The Continental Reastaurant had a normal capacity of 700 seats.

Brian

Source: 1979-80 deck plan included in Ford's Deck Plan Guide


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posted 09-19-2004 11:44 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to the Same source as Brian posted.

Carnivale: Full Occupancy 1,350

though International Dining Room: Seats 575 at each sitting.

If Passengers were in Full Capacity, I wondred how to dine in the International Dining Room.

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posted 09-20-2004 12:00 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Were the additional restaurants between Continental Restauant and Aft cabins?
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There were 30 cabins and three Public Rooms; Drawing room, Cellar Bar and Vineyard on S.A. Vaal's Observation deck.

Another Public rooms were located on Promenade deck. she had Smokeroom, Library, Writing room, Orangery, Assembly room, Gymnasium, Goldenroom, swimming pool and Children's Playroom.


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posted 09-20-2004 07:43 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
According to the Same source as Brian posted.

Carnivale: Full Occupancy 1,350

though International Dining Room: Seats 575 at each sitting.

If Passengers were in Full Capacity, I wondred how to dine in the International Dining Room.

[ 09-20-2004: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]



Very few ships can actually sail with every single berth filled, simply because there are usually more berths, (counting uppers) than there are seats in the dining rooms or even in the lifeboats. This is why many cruises eventually reach a "Two-passenger restriction" for remaining cabins, especially during the popular Holiday and Summer sailings.

On CARNIVALE, her operating capacity was 1150 passengers, even though she had more beds than that, like most ships.


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quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

After the first year or so, Carnival converted the forward (First Class) dining room, the center and forward portions being converted into cabins, the port side being kept as the officers' dining room and the starboard side kept as staff dining room.

I ate many meals in those rooms during my time working on MARDI GRAS!


quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Very few ships can actually sail with every single berth filled, simply because there are usually more berths, (counting uppers) than there are seats in the dining rooms or even in the lifeboats. This is why many cruises eventually reach a "Two-passenger restriction" for remaining cabins, especially during the popular Holiday and Summer sailings.

On CARNIVALE, her operating capacity was 1150 passengers, even though she had more beds than that, like most ships.


Empress of Britain had the First Class Restaurant and was located on forward/starboard C Deck.
However CCL removed from passenger use as like as Mardi Gras.

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WHy Didnt Carnival keep the 2 dining rooms in operation on the MARDI GRAS and CARNIVALE? THey could have fed more passengers in less time with 2 dining rooms. I wonder if Carnival didnt want any pretense of class by having 2 dining rooms. Of course even cabins could eat in one and odd # in the other. I mean the FAIRSEA and FAIRWIND had 2 dining rooms.
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quote:
Originally posted by TCSsa:
WHy Didnt Carnival keep the 2 dining rooms in operation on the MARDI GRAS and CARNIVALE? THey could have fed more passengers in less time with 2 dining rooms. I wonder if Carnival didnt want any pretense of class by having 2 dining rooms. Of course even cabins could eat in one and odd # in the other. I mean the FAIRSEA and FAIRWIND had 2 dining rooms.
TCS

It's all about revenue--Carnival wanted to add more cabins in the space formerly used by the First Class dining rooms, which were smaller and originally only had one seating anyway. The concern at the time (and still today) is to get as many paying passengers on board as possible.

The remaining, larger dining rooms on each ship had long tables seating 12 or more people, so they really packed them in! If there were any way they could operate with 3 seatings instead of 2, I'm sure that would have been tried!


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quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Very few ships can actually sail with every single berth filled, simply because there are usually more berths, (counting uppers) than there are seats in the dining rooms or even in the lifeboats. This is why many cruises eventually reach a "Two-passenger restriction" for remaining cabins, especially during the popular Holiday and Summer sailings.

On CARNIVALE, her operating capacity was 1150 passengers, even though she had more beds than that, like most ships.



quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

TIt's all about revenue--Carnival wanted to add more cabins in the space formerly used by the First Class dining rooms, which were smaller and originally only had one seating anyway. The concern at the time (and still today) is to get as many paying passengers on board as possible.

The remaining, larger dining rooms on each ship had long tables seating 12 or more people, so they really packed them in! If there were any way they could operate with 3 seatings instead of 2, I'm sure that would have been tried!


Empress of Canada's Carleton restaurant had tables seating mainly four or six passengers for serving about 850 tourist class passengers in Two sittings. The First class restaurant, Salle Frontenac had tables for 200 passengers in one sitting.
though while she was crusing, CP offered only about 650 in one class.
When Mardi Gras in full cccupancy(1,240), She had carried many children in 2 Uppers or 1 Upper, therefore CCL might arrange special sitting for children.

Notes; Mardi Gras
Normal Cruise Capacity 906(basis 2 to a cabin).
Flamingo Dining Room 550 seats.

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Mardi Gras' former 1st class dining room the very elegant and lovely Salle Frontenac was chopped up into cabins crew areas.
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Ocean Monarch(ex-Empress of England) retained the forward dining room as Atlantic Restaurant, while aft dining room retained as Pacific Restaurant.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
Ocean Monarch(ex-Empress of England) retained the forward dining room as Atlantic Restaurant, while aft dining room retained as Pacific Restaurant.

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Didn't the OCEAN MONARCH operated as a "liner" rather than a cruise ship? Some other former liners-turned cruise ships have retained their two restaurants...

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quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Didn't the OCEAN MONARCH operated as a "liner" rather than a cruise ship? Some other former liners-turned cruise ships have retained their two restaurants...

After one round trip to Australia in 1970, she had converted for cruising at Cammell Laird of Birkenhead.

Shaw Savill operated her European cruises in Summer and South Pacfic Cruises in Winter.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Liners:

Shaw Savill operated European cruises in Summer and South Pacfic Cruises in Winter.


Then I guess Carnival wanted to generate as much revenue as possible...

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quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Then I guess Carnival wanted to generate as much revenue as possible...

Ocean Monarch was added new cabins between Bridge and Funnel on Boat deck.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Liners:

Empress of Canada's Carleton restaurant had tables seating mainly four or six passengers for serving about 850 tourist class passengers in Two sittings. The First class restaurant, Salle Frontenac had tables for 200 passengers in one sitting.
though while she was crusing, CP offered only about 650 in one class.
When Mardi Gras in full cccupancy(1,240), She had carried many children in 2 Uppers or 1 Upper, therefore CCL might arrange special sitting for children.

Notes; Mardi Gras
Normal Cruise Capacity 906(basis 2 to a cabin).
Flamingo Dining Room 550 seats.

[ 09-21-2004: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]


Actually MARDI GRAS and CARNIVALE never sailed with more than 1100 passengers--this was due to seating in the dining room as well as Coast Guard regulations--there were not as many seats in the lifeboats as berths in the cabins. This is true of most ships.

I was an Operations Manager for Carnival during the 1980s, and we had to carefully watch passenger loads on each sailing. This is why, even to this day, some cruises reach their "2 pax. restriction", meaning that no more triples or quads can be sold, or else they would have to sail with empty cabins. There is obviously more revenue to be gained by selling 1st & 2nd adult fares, than by adding more 3rd & 4th lower fares.


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quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

On CARNIVALE, her operating capacity was 1150 passengers, even though she had more beds than that, like most ships.


quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Actually MARDI GRAS and CARNIVALE never sailed with more than 1100 passengers--this was due to seating in the dining room as well as Coast Guard regulations


International Dining Room: Seats 575 at each sitting

quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

--there were not as many seats in the lifeboats as berths in the cabins. This is true of most ships.


Didn't they fitted life rafts for crew?

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S.A. Vaal traveled on a sunshine route between England(Souhampton) and South Africa(Durban) with stops at Las Palmas, Capetown, Port Elizabeth and East London.

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I always thought the FESTIVALE was a beautiful ship. Sad that she is gone now. How much of her was original Union-Castle and how much was Carnival. I always heard her Dining room was done in Brown and Gold like a 70s McDonalds restaurant. The ship had many lounges and bars.
I thought she looked like a real liner/cruise ship.
The MARDI GRAS was very lovely too! Was the EMPRESS OF CANADA built with a outdoor swimming pool? I cant imagine a ship built even in the early 60's without an outdoor pool.
The CARNIVALE looked like a tub when the Greek Lines added that big lounge on the aft. I dont think they did that to the OCEAN MONARCH.
Its funny the CARNIVALE is the only one left of this bunch of ships that built an empire for the Carnival Corp. THere must have been something there in these ships that kept people coming back!!
TCS

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The EMPRESS OF CANADA had a "portable" swimming pool which could be lowered into her aft cargo hatch for cruises. I can't find it now, but somewhere (probably one of Bill Miller's books) showing the ship in New York, with the pool unit sitting on the deck, next to the hatch, waiting to be fitted. As MARDI GRAS she had a permanent pool fitted into that space, in addition to the original interior pool.

S.A. VAAL was completely gutted and transformed into the FESTIVALE, at least as far as public rooms go. Nothing of the original decor remained. Many cabins, however, were more or less kept the same; of course Carnival added substantial numbers of cabins in cargo hold areas, to increase capacity.


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