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Topic: Oriana was capsized!!

M.V. SuperStar Leo
First Class Passenger
Member # 3782

posted 06-17-2004 10:18 PM

The Oriana was capsized during a windy day in Dailin, China. She is now served as a floating resort.
I guess that she is grounded with at least three decks under water. And I don' think that the ship will be refloated, as it will be a huge cost to do so.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 06-18-2004 12:02 AM

Poor old Oriana. What a sad ending if she is really a total loss. Her owners may be happy as she has not been a success in her role as a floating entertainment complex.

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linerguy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4289

posted 06-18-2004 12:22 AM

Though I've always thought of Oriana as 100% dog-ugly, I'm sad that this has happened to her.

Russ

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Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 06-18-2004 12:28 AM

Wow some interesting (Non-QE2 0r QM2 or Cunard info!) How sad. That could easily be the Queen Mary someday if the current owners are not careful. Queen Mary's below decks are so rotted out and rusting that it could potentially cause a problem in a few years. QM does have a breakwater completely surrounding the ship so she is in a safe harbor so-to-speak from any kind of movement from waves.

I agree Oriana was not an attractive vessel.

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Grahame
First Class Passenger
Member # 2325

posted 06-18-2004 12:55 AM

What a sad end to the final Orient liner.She was always odd looking compared to the brillant lines of Canberra.But again underlines the point that these old liners ,if they are not maintained properly for there roles as lesiure accomodation centres etc there end is after a few years of bad management..a very sad sight.One only has to look at how quickly the original Queen Elizabeth fell into disrepair after eighteen months in Port Everglades in the late sixties.But the Oriana still holds the record between England and Australia set in december 1960.I will never forget seeing her finally leaving Sydney late one afternoon under tow for Japan in may 1986.I only hope her end comes quickly now.

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Ocean Liners
First Class Passenger
Member # 4013

posted 06-18-2004 01:21 AM

Here's the Link to Chinese Newspaper

You may find the photos

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rd77
First Class Passenger
Member # 2117

posted 06-18-2004 04:45 AM

quote:
Originally posted by linerguy:
Though I've always thought of Oriana as 100% dog-ugly, I'm sad that this has happened to her.
Russ

I completely agree! I always thought it was a bit unfair that CANBERRA was already scrapped while ORIANA is still about...

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Cambodge
First Class Passenger
Member # 906

posted 06-18-2004 10:51 AM

It reminds me of a old joke. It seems there were two competing store owners. One had a fire, which burned him out. He was handsomely reimbursed by insurance. One had a flood which destroyed his business. He was handsomely reimbursed by insurance.

First owner to second owner, "How do you make a flood?"

"How do you make a capsize?"

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 06-18-2004 01:12 PM

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 06-18-2004 01:20 PM

Even though she was no beauty, it is sad to see her in that state. Just how does a 41,000 tons ship capsize during a strong wind?? Possibly she was scuttled.

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 06-18-2004 01:27 PM

Another sad look!

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Ðraikar
First Class Passenger
Member # 1153

posted 06-18-2004 02:21 PM

I at first said she was ugly but now I think she was (is) one of the most beautiful liners. I was just thinking of her yesterday too. Good bye old friend Oriana, my regret is i never seen you in person.

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SteamPowered
First Class Passenger
Member # 4779

posted 06-18-2004 02:51 PM

Poor abused Oriana... those last few years were not easy on her. Still, what an ignoble end to a technically impressive albeit a bit funny looking ship. I've always found non-traditional liners interesting to look at but she really pushed the envelope. In terms of her appearance, love it, hate it, but either way you have to admit she was sure one-of-a-kind! Another one of a rapidly disappearing breed gone, making the few that remain all the more important.

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Westerdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 2093

posted 06-18-2004 04:01 PM

A sad ending to a fine ship. What was P&O's reason for retiring her and not bringing her back to the British market alongside the Canberra? I know there was a downturn in the Australian economy back in 85/86 and P&O usually retired their ships at 25 years or so but she seemed to be in such fine shape. Not to mention that it was also around this time that P&O started the planning the new Oriana and an expansion of capacity in the British market. Anyone have some inside information?

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seabourndt
First Class Passenger
Member # 2154

posted 06-18-2004 04:35 PM

how sad this is there is nothing sadder tio see than a once great ship sinking or to catch fire. i went onboard the oriana while she was in shanghai CHINA IN 1999 I REMEMBER. SHE WAS A GREAT,GREAT SHIP, SADLY MISSED

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 06-18-2004 08:20 PM

Just a nother one

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Maru
First Class Passenger
Member # 3500

posted 06-18-2004 08:55 PM

It is very sad news.
This link is introduction of an exhibition institution.web page

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Grahame
First Class Passenger
Member # 2325

posted 06-19-2004 12:59 AM

In reply to Westerdams query re the further use of Oriana after 1986...I travelled on her for the last time in 1985 on a trip to the fijian islands,and everything had begun to break down..her many years of great voyages around the world had finally caught up with her...and the interiour was very much the final example of a ship divided between first and tourist class,it was never going to be easy to properly convert her to a one class ship.Where as the Canberra being that much later,and having learnt from some of Oriana problems adapted perfectly to a one class ship.Even more than Canberra she became part of the Sydney harbour scene of the 60,70 and 80s,and we will miss her odd funnells and her great stern sticking out opposite the opera house.

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Ocean Liners
First Class Passenger
Member # 4013

posted 06-19-2004 02:39 AM

P&O introduced Open Class operation on their fleet : Oriana, Himalaya and Orsova in 1973.
Oriana has been cruised in Australian waters since in Winter 81/82 season until Mar. 27 1986.
Canberra and Oriana were built as a Liner All their first class had private bath or Shower however only Tourist Upper grade category cabins had shower.
Oriana's tourist class four berth cabins mostly converted to two berth cabins.

She finally departed from Sydney on May 29 1986 and towed by ocean-going tug Lady Lorraine.
On Jun 24, She arrived at Hitachi Zosen shipyard where she was refitted for her new role.
She was intended to use her as floating hotel as well as Ship's Museum in Beppu, Japan.
However she has never opened as a hotel but opened as a ship's Museum.
In 1995, She sold to the Hangzhou Jiebai Group Co Ltd, a department store operator and towed
to Chinwangtao (Qinhuangdao), where she served as an accommodation and hotel.
In Later Years, She moved to Shanghai and Dalian.

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SteamPowered
First Class Passenger
Member # 4779

posted 06-19-2004 03:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Westerdam:
What was P&O's reason for retiring her and not bringing her back to the British market alongside the Canberra?

Grahame is most likely right, but I'm wagering a guess that I also believe it may have also had to do with her fuel consumption and passenger popularity. I have a book on Canberra's history ("Canberra - In the Wake of a Legend" - great book) and it says P&O was never going to keep both ships, and at one point was thinking of retiring both ships. However, Canberra was beloved, and from an economic standpoint her turbo-electric engines were easily converted to lower-speed crusing. When she became a cruise ship she had new propellers put on and some engine and boiler modifications that reduced her rather impressive speed by a few knots or so but saved a considerable amount of fuel to the point she could almost be considered economical for an older steamship, Oriana never was what could be considered efficient. Plus, everything I've read says Canberra was the more popular of the two... probably that funny-looking fake aft funnel was a turn-off. Anyway, they didn't need two somewhat large (for the time) cruise ships, one being a fuel-hog, so they retired the less popular, more worn-out, less efficient one.

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Ocean Liners
First Class Passenger
Member # 4013

posted 06-19-2004 03:38 AM

It was told that Oriana was always a very popular ship in Australia, with at least 80 per cent her cruises of fully booked.
Oriana was particularly favoured by young people during college hollidys when it was estimated that 500 to 600 of her passengers were under 23 years of age.

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 06-19-2004 05:26 AM

The Oriana was a strange looking ship, never understand why Orient was goahead with this vessel. She have nothing outside that appeal to me.
Those funnels the strange way the deckhousing is designed.

Have no opinion on here interiors. Buth a love affair start with the outside, that all importened first impresion.

Buth neverteless it's always sad to see a ship inn such dangaures situation.

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Grahame
First Class Passenger
Member # 2325

posted 06-19-2004 10:15 AM

Ocean liner you are absolutly right Oriana was very popular with young people cruising on two week holidays out of Sydney in those last years.But her accomdation was very fifties and I think P and O felt they could start to build their cruise holiday business in England with money spent on the much cleaner designed Canberra..who was very nearly scapped herself in the seventies after the american experiment failed ,but her place was taken at the eleventh hour by the Orsova,who made the final voyage to the east..

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Johan
First Class Passenger
Member # 4458

posted 06-19-2004 10:34 AM

Very sad days, within a month the end of two of the last british colonial liners, Oriana and Dunnottar Castle...

I liked Oriana (from afar at least), and with such a mysterious name and modernist exterior, a special ship.

I think now only ex-Windsor Castle is left, of the heydadys of the British "Blue Water" liners, and for how long ?

IT is strange that in such a heritage consicous country as Britain, there isn't really a former liner preserved. Does any one know about the successes of the campaign for Windsor Castle.

I know it is costly, still, it should be possible, if only to simple not scrap the liners, and lay her up, mothballed, for safe keeping.

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 06-19-2004 10:46 AM

I’m not sure but I read some were that that ex-Windsor Castle broke her moorings not so long ago and ran aground? Does someone know more about this?

Onno

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