Does someone know when and where she took her refurbishment in the early 70s?

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Originally posted by navitalia:
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There wasn't a refurbishment but only a rearrangement of the existent accomodation

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Hi navitalia,

They made a refurbishment in the forward section's cabin to be fitted with facilities on the B deck.
Those cabins were #533 - #550(18 cabins) and converted to crew quaters even though they were numbered B66 - B78.

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Public rooms had lost the Zoncada decor to Katzurikas chrome. The original 1st and 2nd class cabins were good and mostly intact, All of the 3rd class were 2 combined to one with private bath. The real nasty ones at the bow and stern with habitrail corriders were used for crew accomodation.

The stairwell situation was never resolved and remained quite complicated.

Many of the 3rd class lounges were converted to extra cabins.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
The large Italian Line ships were liners and not designed as cruise ships and lacked all the facilities such as larger cabins, private baths, single class deck layouts that successful cruise ships needed. but they had many shortcomings and would have required major alterations to compete with the newbuilds coming online in the early 1970s.

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"The Lido Fleet" Italian Line Passenger Ships & Services by Peter C. Kohler.

It's a magnificent and complete piece of work if you are interested in Italian passenger ships and their history.

The Italian Line and Italian ships in general happen to be my favorite of all lines and ships (yes, even Cunard!). I also think they were the most beautiful both inside and out. Some of the interiors are an acquired taste, but I thought they were magnificent even in their starkness. There is no denying the exteriors well sleek, well proportioned, and liner like with the raked bows and cruiser sterns.

The fabulous LEONARDO DA VINCI is the ship that started it all for me. My first ever experience on any ship. I remember the ship, the atmosphere, those swimming pools, that amazing Italian crew that fussed over an inquisitive 12 year old, and even my cabin (Lido #9) like it was yesterday.

Do I ever wish I could go back and relive the LEONARDO DA VINCI today. I can dream though.

[ 06-16-2004: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

Leonardo sailed in Carribean waters out of New York in Winter/Spring 1973 and a few cruises in other seasons and supposed to sail Naples - New York for 4 round trips
Colombo engeged to sail Trieste - New York Route on Trans Atlantic run only(11 round trips) Beside Raffaelo & Michelangelo were sailed for 8 round trips and also ships sailed 4 cruises by Raffaello and 3 cruises by Michelangelo out of Genoa.
thus Italian line offered more trans atlantic crossings than any other lines at the time.

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State-owned lines collapsed very quickly in those leaden '70's after the Oil crisis. In a way strange there is so few left of it.

In there turn Italian Line offer the Leonardo to HAL. Buth HAL showed no interrest because of the split machinery and the high fuel consumption of the vessel and thirt the vessel have a 3 class system HAL believed that they must have a big amound of money to rebuild the ship to a 2 class liner and a 1 class cruiseship as there Rotterdam. Therfore HAL refused the ship.

HAL later opted fore a serie of 4 small cruise ships frome around 9.000 brt. They build one the Prinsendam.

The Leonardo da Vinci as a HAL ship she would be nice to see the ship in HAL livery. Whene HAL would have buy the ship i believed that she was called Prinsendam.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:

In there turn Italian Line offer the Leonardo to HAL. Buth HAL showed no interrest because of the split machinery and the high fuel consumption of the vessel and thirt the vessel have a 3 class system HAL believed that they must have a big amound of money to rebuild the ship to a 2 class liner and a 1 class cruiseship as there Rotterdam. Therfore HAL refused the ship.

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I noticed the difference in her brochuers between 75/6 Caribbean cruises and 76 Mediterranean cruises,
Italian Lines only offered Cabins with private facilities in Caribbean brochures although they offered cabins without private facilities at minimum price on Med cruises.
Only First and third of Forward section on the C deck had cabins without facilities(about 50 cabins)
I don't think big money to need for a refurbishment to covert for private facilities.
but I thought that HAL wanted to be fitted the Lido Restaurant on the Prommenade deck as well as Rotterdam and Statendam.

she was built so as to be converted to nuclear power, but never happened, If she had Fiat-diesel engines at the time of built. she would be sailed more years!!

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
The Leonardo's 3 class layout was one of her biggest problems when she turned to cruising. The Italian Line (as Ocean Liners mentioned) did not sell the cabins without facilities for her Caribbean cruises, but they did sell those cabins for cruises to the Med. The lowest class of cabins on the Italian Line ships were quite austere compared to what the newer ships (or even Rotterdam V) was offering. Also as mentioned before, her 3 class layout did not offer large showrooms or lounges for a majority of passengers to gather for events. The decor of her lower class public rooms also was not up to the standards demanded for her new role as a cruise ship. Of course in the end her biggest problems were her very high fuel consumption and that her image was damaged by the union crew that ran her. By the 1970s she was not being maintained properly and her interiors were not kept clean, so the travel agents just stopped selling her and directed passengers to Home Lines, HAL, Royal Viking etc.

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Did you considered with another Ships at built in the 60s?

If you talked ships, you should talk at the years or nearlest years.
In the late 60s they intorduced for new-generation ships such as Statward,
But at the time many Steamship Lines maintained the Line voyages.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Sure, Rotterdam's layout was easily convertible into a deluxe world cruise liner. Her dining rooms were nearly identical and her tourist class public rooms were of a similar quality as those in 1st class. The cabins though smaller in tourist class have similar fittings as the ones in 1st, size was the biggest difference.

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Rotterdam so designed as World cruisers at the bulit time, I'm not talking about Rotterdam, May I ask you question about when and what ship the first world cruise offred by HAL?
I hope to hear about the facts of Oriana's or Canberra's cabins or other ships when built as a liner in the 60s.

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Originally posted by Ocean Liners:

Rotterdam so designed as World cruisers at the bulit time, I'm not talking about Rotterdam, May I ask you question about when and what ship the first world cruise offred by HAL?
I hope to hear about the facts of Oriana's or Canberra's cabins or other ships when built as a liner in the 60s.

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The first HAL liner to explor the world was the .s.s. Rijndam as floating university in the mid 1920s.

The first official HAL world cruise was a/b the s.s. Statendam 4 in 1958. Frome 1960 onwards the s.s. Rotterdam sail the world cruise. Only two times in she not sail the world cruise. In the 1970s the Veendam dith one and in the 1990s one of the Statendam class vessels dith one world cruise. After those world cruises HAL quickly return to the s.s. Rotterdam.

The HAL stopt fore a view years in the late 1980s with the world cruise due to high fuel costs and the terrorist treadt.

After a view world cruises with Rotterdam 6 and sister Amsterdam 3 the Prinsendam 2 sail the world cruises.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
What I wrote was that in order for the liners to compete (in the very competetive market), their original liner style layout would not work. As an example, Canberra and Oriana (1) could never have competed in the N. American/Caribbean market by the 1970s as the newbuilds were offering far superior accomodations-Canberra tried and was a financial failure.

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Canberra did sail to cruise out of Southmpton or Sydney Even Canberra and Oriana were sailed out of Vancouer, San Francisco and Los Angeles to Southampton via Caribbean Port(s) in '60. as a liner(only a few cruise ships worked in '60s)
Canberra and Oriana had more No facilities cabins than Leonard.
Can you guess how many in '80?

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Leonardo could never have competed with the likes of Royal Viking, RCCL, NCL etc. as those lines had purpose built modern cruise ships.

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RCCL and NCL never cruised out of New York(RVL did only one cruise to Caribbean in the winter 74/5)
As I posted before, she didn't offered No facilities cabins for American market.
One more question, How many Gugliemo had No facilities cabins in '80?

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Sorry a bit but I was asking to lasuvidaboy!!!

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Originally posted by Maasdam:

The first HAL liner to explor the world was the .s.s. Rijndam as floating university in the mid 1920s.

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the .s.s. Rijndam took the first around the world student group in 1926-27.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
The large Italian Line ships were liners and not designed as cruise ships and lacked all the facilities such as larger cabins, private baths, single class deck layouts that successful cruise ships needed.

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The Italian Line (as Ocean Liners mentioned) did not sell the cabins without facilities for her Caribbean cruises, but they did sell those cabins for cruises to the Med.

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At first You posted about Lack of Private facilities on Italian Line ships so I posted about anothers ships such as "Canberra and Oriana had more No facilities cabin than Leonard
Can you guess how many in '80?
How many Gugliemo had No facilities cabins in 80?"

But you didn't answer above questions and talked another points

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
I am not only speaking about the lack of private facilities,
I am speaking about the entire layout of the ship.

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What is the difference between Lloyd Twins and Leonard?

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The first of two magnificent liners built for Lloyd Triestino's Italy to Australia emigrant service, the GALILEO GALILEI was launched on July 2, 1961. Completed in March of 1963, her maiden voyage from Genoa to Sydney commenced on 22 April. She was joined by the identical GUGLIEMO MARCONI on 18 November of the same year. Both ships resembled smaller, more streamlined versions of Italian Line's famous LEONARDO DA VINCI of 1960,

from maritimematters

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GALILEO/GUGLIEMO and LEONARDO were almost similar designed Layout of ship.

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