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NicholasK
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posted 04-16-2004 02:47 PM      Profile for NicholasK   Email NicholasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Louis Cruise lines anounced today that 3 new ships are added at their fleet.

The one is Carousel. As for the other two i didnt listened.

Can anybody find out witch are the other two?


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NicholasK
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posted 04-16-2004 03:06 PM      Profile for NicholasK   Email NicholasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
MyTravel Reports:

MyTravel Group plc has completed the review of its overall cruise strategy as announced on 22 March 2004, and today announces its withdrawal from cruise ship operations, although MyTravel will continue to sell the cruise products of other third party providers.

MyTravel has agreed arrangements with Louis Ltd, a cruise and hotel group listed on the Cyprus Stock Exchange, under which Louis will take over operation of three ships. This transaction will result in a provisional exceptional loss for the year ending 30 September 2004 of £16 million. The disposal of the ships will result in a significant reduction in both the fixed costs and risks associated with cruise ship operations. MyTravel will realise net cash proceeds of £1.5 million (after repayment of related financing and deducting costs of the transaction). Before costs, this represents $2 million payable at completion and $14 million payable over the period to 2005, less outstanding finance related to the Carousel. The net proceeds will be used for working capital purposes. The net book value of the assets included in MyTravel’s balance sheet was £18 million at 30 September 2003. Operating losses before taxation of £8 million were attributable to the three ships for the year ending 30 September 2003. These arrangements are conditional upon execution of agreements with banks providing finance in respect of the vessels and the completion of certain formalities. These conditions are expected to be satisfied within a few weeks.

The arrangements with Louis concern three ships previously operated by MyTravel’s Sun Cruises business, namely Carousel, Sunbird and Sundream. There will be a phased handover of the three ships over the next four weeks, after which Louis will operate them. Each of these ships will sail as normal until 26 September 2004, in the case of Sundream, 15 January 2005 in the case of Sunbird, and May 2005 in the case of Carousel, with departures as advertised. MyTravel will continue to sell Sun Cruises holidays on these ships up to these dates.

MyTravel’s remaining cruise ship, Seawing, operated by Sun Cruises, is due to leave the fleet at the end of Summer 2004.

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So... Louis cruise lines 3 new ships are...

Sundream
Sunbird
and Carousel


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Waynaro
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posted 04-16-2004 05:32 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Like I have said in another thread, where will Louis deploy these ships after 2004 and early 2005...
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NicholasK
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posted 04-16-2004 05:47 PM      Profile for NicholasK   Email NicholasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In my opinion, most probably they will chart them. I don’t think they are going to use the new fleet for the local market.
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gpcruisedude
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posted 04-16-2004 08:38 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's possible Louis could continue the same itineraries as Sun Cruises or most anyways! I think Louis is looking to expand out of their tradiitonal market! And Sun Cruises ships and business is a wise decision! Cause dont forget Louis Cruise Lines also owns the Thompson Spirit formerley the Patriot/Nieuw Amstredam which is Chartered to Thompson Holidays until I think 2007, one of SUN Cruises MAIN competitiors!! That should be interesting as she will be competing with Sun Cruises Ships!!
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Waynaro
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posted 04-16-2004 08:44 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Gpcruisedude posted:
Louis Cruise Lines also owns the Thompson Spirit formerley the Patriot/Nieuw Amstredam which is Chartered to Thompson Holidays until I think 2007
Don't forget the NOORDAM...to be renamed THOMSON CELEBRATION. I thought the SPIRIT charter was for 10 years?

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posted 04-17-2004 12:41 AM      Profile for Captain Rhone   Email Captain Rhone   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know the charter is actually 7-10 years last I had heard.Thomson Spirit is a cool looking ship!Any photos you find,it would be interesting to see them...Lets see when Thomson Celebraton is out.Thomson Spirit,a classical cool ship!... Also lets see the new Louis Lines ships!
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Panos
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posted 04-17-2004 06:28 AM      Profile for Panos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to a Louis announcement:

Sunbird was bought for $71 million. This ship is chartered to My Travel for 9 months and then enters into a 6-year charter with Thomson.

Carousel is hirepurchased for $14 million and chartered back to My Travel for 1 year. No plans for later plans for this ship are announced.

In addition Louis signed a contract to manage the two remaining My Travel Ships, Seawing and Sundream up to September 2004.

So its 2 new ships and not 3.


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RobHolland
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posted 04-17-2004 07:51 AM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good to hear that Sunbird eventually will go to Thomson. It's a good addition to the Spirit & Celebration.
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posted 04-17-2004 09:29 AM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I remember well Thomson Spirit and Celebration are still owned by Carnival Corporation.
The first one is chartered to Louis for ten years with a final purchase option and subchartered to Thomson.
The second one will be directly chartered to Thomson.
I don't believe that Sunbird is a good addition to the Thomson fleet. Don't forget that she has very small cabins, while the two Thomson ships, having been designed as premium ships, have much larger accomodations.
About Carousel and Sundream it's now difficult to say if Louis will operate directly or charter these ships.
Which operator could be interested to charter this nice but aged twin ?
In 2005 if the political situation in the Middle East will be better Louis could operate them directly.
Princessa Marissa, Serenade and Ausonia are too old to remain in the fleet. The first one is the most recent, but don't forget that she is really no more than a ferry... lacking even a pool.
I see these ships in the future of Louis:

-Carousel.
-Sundream.
-Emerald.
-Sapphire.
-Calypso.

and perhaps Seawing.


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glynn
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posted 04-17-2004 09:42 AM      Profile for glynn   Email glynn   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If Thomson are to operate all these ships, which one will be the pride of fleet, sunbird ??

[ 04-17-2004: Message edited by: glynn ]


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posted 04-17-2004 09:52 AM      Profile for Oldsalty   Email Oldsalty   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I posted today on "Cruise Ships" that Thomson Sunbird is to called Thomson Destiny
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gpcruisedude
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posted 04-17-2004 10:55 AM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder with all these new ships coming online with Thompson where they will operate them all?? And is the Emerald which is one of Louis ships not currently Chartered to Thompson?? What will happen to her
when her Charter is over??

I wonder if Louis will Charter the Carousel after she is done with My Travel and if they only have Management contracts for Sundream and Seawing then I guess these two ships will be sold/chartered by My Travel after they have completed their current itineraries??


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posted 04-17-2004 03:12 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Somehow I think the Emerald will leave Thomson's fleet. I agree that the SUNBIRD would not fit well with the THOMSON SPIRIT and CELEBRATION, but its a 80s ship..... . Its good to see Thomson operate ships in the British market...I wonder if eventually will be a threat to P&O...
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posted 04-17-2004 09:09 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Should there be no market for Greek Island cruises out of Cyprus, or even greece ? Cyprus will be part of +EU in a few months, and i don't know the exact terms, but a cypriot line will once be able to do such cruises, and with the Olympics et al, there will be a surge in intrest in things greek, normally...EU in total is a huge market, much bigger than UK alone
These are just thoughts...

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posted 04-18-2004 09:22 AM      Profile for NicholasK   Email NicholasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pan you are right. I have read today in the newspaper the anouncement. Also they anounced that Princessa Victoria departs their fleet. They have sold her for $3.15m. As for the SunDream most possible they will buy her by the end of September.

[ 04-18-2004: Message edited by: NicholasK ]


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posted 04-18-2004 11:03 AM      Profile for anthemius   Author's Homepage   Email anthemius   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by NicholasK:
Pan you are right. I have read today in the newspaper the anouncement. Also they anounced that Princessa Victoria departs their fleet. They have sold her for $3.15m. As for the SunDream most possible they will buy her by the end of September.

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Nicholas,
do you know which scrap merchant the buyer is? Any information on the reason the PRINCESA VICTORIA is sold. I heard a rumour that the engines are beyond repair...


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posted 04-18-2004 01:18 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If I am not correct the Princesa Victoria needed alot of work to re-classify her into operating status as a cruise ship again and that it was a considerable sum if I dont remember right! I know anyone can buy the Princesa Victoria for 5 million cash! And she would make an ok hotel ship for someone! I thought that someone from London wanted her for a Hotel ship, I heard that a while ago somewhere on this board!! Dont remember the exact post but they wanted the Amerikanis and couldn't reach a deal for her and I was sure they had a deal for Princesa Victoria when Louis retired her????
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posted 04-18-2004 11:42 PM      Profile for NicholasK   Email NicholasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
do you know which scrap merchant the buyer is? Any information on the reason the PRINCESA VICTORIA is sold. I heard a rumour that the engines are beyond repair...

Princessa was sold to Bangladesh breakers at Chittagong. The reason is that she is too old for a cruise liner. Louis sold her for $3.15m and the braker as ssmaritime reports is going to sell her to be a floating hotel for $5m.


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posted 04-19-2004 05:45 PM      Profile for Panos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Johan:
Should there be no market for Greek Island cruises out of Cyprus, or even greece ? Cyprus will be part of +EU in a few months, and i don't know the exact terms, but a cypriot line will once be able to do such cruises, and with the Olympics et al, there will be a surge in intrest in things greek, normally...EU in total is a huge market, much bigger than UK alone
These are just thoughts...


Unfortunately there does not seem to be such a large local market to support year around cruises to Greece from Cyprus.

Even during the pre 9/11 years these cruises were operated only during the Summer months as most of Cypriots tend to have their holidays during July and August.

The mail year-around destination for Louis was the Middle East, Holy Land and Egypt.

At the moment operations to Holy Land dont seem to be any near to restart and thats why Louis moved to the "charter industry" - so their profits do not wholy depend on local market.


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posted 04-19-2004 06:05 PM      Profile for Panos     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just for completeness the full announcement.

Louis Ltd announces that it has expended its operations with the purchase of new cruise ships and the safeguard of new charters and ship administration contracts.

Specifically, the Company has acquired the cruise ship “Sunbird” against the sum of $71 million. The ship has been chartered in MyTravel Group plc for the period of 9 months and in Thomson Cruises, member of TUI AG, for the period of 6 years.

Louis Ltd has also acquired with the hire/purchase system the cruise ship “Carousel” against the sum of $14 million. The ship has been chartered in My Travel for the period of one year.

The Company has signed an agreement with MyTravel for the management (by Louis Ltd) of the cruise ship “Sundream” by late September 2004.

The aforementioned agreements are exceptionally important for the strengthening of Louis Ltd as one of the most significant cruise ship companies worldwide. Following the developments above, the cruise ships of the three largest British tour operators, TUI, MyTravel and First Choice will belong to or will be administrated by Louis Ltd.

It is worth noting that following the completion of the aforementioned agreements, the income and profits of Louis Ltd will not entirely depend on the imponderable factors affecting the region of Eastern Mediterranean, since the largest percentage will stem from guaranteed ship charters and administration contracts abroad.

The details of the cruise ships are set below:

- Sunbird is of 37,584 tons and was constructed in 1982. It is 214,88 meters longs and has 11 decks. Load: 1,611 passengers in 725 cabins.

- Carousel is of 23,149 tons and was constructed in 1971. It is 194,32 meters long and has 7 decks. Load: 1,158 passengers in 525 cabins.

- Sundream is of 22,945 tons and was constructed in 1970. It is 194,32 meters long and has 8 decks. Load: 1,257 passengers in 540 cabins.

Within the framework of the purchase of new cruise ships and the renewal of the Company’s fleet, Louis Ltd has proceeded to the sale of the cruise ship Princesa Victoria against the sum of $ 3.15 million. This sale will result to a net accounting loss of £785 thousand.

The new expansion of operations is expected to boost the Company’s profitability not only for 2004 but for the years that will follow as well. For 2004, the Company’s profits are expected to quadruple compared to 2003.

Source: Cyprus Stock Exchange


PS: The official anouncement does not make any reference to Seawing...


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posted 04-19-2004 09:25 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I also read on Seatrade Insider that Thompson Spirit Charter is only til May 2006 and after that time she will only be chartered for 5 months a year by Thompson, so I wonder who will charter her for the rest of the time??

It will be interesting who will take her on Charter for the other 7 months!! Unless Louis operates her themselves, but they seem to have excess capacity in the winter months!!


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posted 04-19-2004 10:14 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
gpcruisedude posted:
I also read on Seatrade Insider that Thompson Spirit Charter is only til May 2006 and after that time she will only be chartered for 5 months a year by Thompson, so I wonder who will charter her for the rest of the time??
Hmm I wonder why they are going to do 5 months a year? Would they be considered too old by then or over capacity?

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posted 04-20-2004 08:39 PM      Profile for gpcruisedude   Email gpcruisedude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone know who will Charter Thompson Spirit after 2006? I believe Thompson's Charter will only be May-Sept, and I doubt they will lay her up. She is too valuable of a ship still to Louis! So Im sure she will be chartered by someone, maybe Discovery will charter her for the winter?? I wonder if Gerry Herrod would want excess capacity by then?? Or maybe they can charter her to Pullmantur to use in the Caribbean during the winter along with the Pacific, or maybe she can do charters in the Caribbean! Who knows!!
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Whoa! What a confusing thread! Everybody keeps asking the same questions! Italian Cruiser did a great job summarising the events in his post. Well done!

The SEAWING went to Royal Olympia in a very complicated sale/lease back deal. She is now laid up as a result of Royal Olympia's problems. That is the reason why she is not included in the MyTravel/Louis deal.

NicholasK, where did you hear that the PRINCESA VICTORIA will be sold on by the scrappers to become a hotel? I thought the hotel deal had long since fallen through...

As a result of the entry of SUNDREAM (Sept '04) and CAROUSEL (May '05) into the Louis fleet, expect the SERENADE and AUSONIA to go for scrap. They are old and they are steamships. EMERALD could be interesting. She is also a steamship, almost the same age as the other two, but she had a full rebuild from the hull up in the early 90s. PRINCESA MARISSA still seems to be doing well on her short cruises. SAPPHIRE is diesel powered, so I reckon she will be OK for a while...

I always hear the early 80s built Wartsila ships, such as SUNBIRD, aren't built too well. Is this true?


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