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moodus2
First Class Passenger
Member # 2414

posted 12-09-2003 08:54 AM

looking at a picture album sold
onboard the ss norway it states
that the weeky fuel consumption
is 400,000 gallons. 33 ft. to the
gallon. power output 54,000 hp.
with 2000 paying passengers that
would be $200 per passenger if fuel price is $1 per gallon.
if she was converted to diesel-electric i wonder if the
fuel consumption would drop?

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Brian_O
First Class Passenger
Member # 3910

posted 12-09-2003 03:20 PM

The cost of bunker fuel today in Houston is approx. $150 US per tonne or approx. 50 cents US per US gallon. Assumimg the fuel consumption figures are correct your cost per passenger is approx $100 per week rather than $200.

By way of contrast, diesel oil is almost 90 cents US per US gallon. While these relative prices change constantly, bunker oil is considerably cheaper than diesel. Given the advanced age of SS Norway, the considerable expense of re-engining and her consumption-rate of bunker, it hardly seems an economic proposition to re-engine her. She just won't be in service long enough to recover the expense.

QE2 was a relative youngster (compared to Norway's current age) when she was re-engined, consuming much more fuel than Norway has been consuming in her NCL service, and Cunard was looking forward to keeping her in service for 20 plus years. In her case, the re-engining was an economically viable propostion.

Brian

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norman warren
First Class Passenger
Member # 1602

posted 12-09-2003 08:18 PM

most motorships burn I F O 380 similar to bunker fuel. so price would be CLOSE to both fuels. Main engines on Q.E.2 were designed to burn heavy oil
Tons per day cunsumption will be lower with Deisel however as u say, Norway would not be in service long enough to recover cost. The Tankers I sailed on including the SISTER to the Exxon Valdez all burned heavy oil in both the main engine and the Generators. very rarely did we burn deisel oil.

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Ocean Liners
First Class Passenger
Member # 4013

posted 12-10-2003 11:04 PM

Here's the technical aspects of QE2

THE SERVICE SPEED of 28.5 knots, can be maintained using only seven engines, thus allowing essential and routine maintenance to be carried out whilst at sea and without affecting schedules.

At this speed a 35% fuel saving is made over the previous power plant, the fuel used being of the same grade - IF 380 (Bunker "C"). This fuel is heated under pressure to 140'C for injection, and is akin to road tar at room temperature.

One gallon of fuel will move the ship 49.5 feet;
with the previous steam turbine engines, one gallon of fuel moved the ship 36 feet.

[ 12-10-2003: Message edited by: Ocean Liners ]

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Brian_O
First Class Passenger
Member # 3910

posted 12-11-2003 12:36 AM

While I have seen these figures before, this is typical Cunard technical gobbledygook in that the figures quoted are inconsistent with one another. Getting 49.5 feet per gallon versus the previous 36 feet per gallon represents a fuel savings of 27% (to the nearest percentage point) rather than the 35% quoted. Perhaps the 35% applies at 28.5 knots while the other figures are overall averages, but they should say so if that is the case. In any event, it is the overall average savings that is important, not the savings at a speed the ship rarely travels these days.

Still these figures are more reliable than the ridiculous claim that I actually heard quoted on board at one "Open House" (and have also been circulating for years via email) that QE2 only travels 6 INCHES per gallon.

Brian

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Kelly D Payne
First Class Passenger
Member # 4205

posted 03-15-2005 11:10 PM

What does the Norways age have to do with converting her to diesel electric? Unless she has some kind of structural weakness,it shouldn't be a problem,other than the cost,which depends on what type of engines are installed.Sense she would only need between 4 or 6 diesels the cost wouldn't be too prohibitive.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 03-16-2005 12:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly D Payne:
What does the Norways age have to do with converting her to diesel electric? Unless she has some kind of structural weakness,it shouldn't be a problem,other than the cost,which depends on what type of engines are installed.Sense she would only need between 4 or 6 diesels the cost wouldn't be too prohibitive.

NCL has no interest in her. She is after all 43 years old and considered by many to be no longer in fashion. She lacks the multiple decks of verandah cabins (that are so common and inexpensive today-in the U.S. at least), large fast passenger elevators, as well as the many dining options that are an NCL trademark today. It could cost 50 million dollars or more to re-engine her and to the accountants in Asia, that may not make any sense. She had an incredible 23 year run in the Caribbean which is longer than almost any other large ship in that region.

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Globaliser
First Class Passenger
Member # 4153

posted 03-16-2005 03:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly D Payne:
What does the Norways age have to do with converting her to diesel electric? Unless she has some kind of structural weakness,it shouldn't be a problem,other than the cost,which depends on what type of engines are installed.Sense she would only need between 4 or 6 diesels the cost wouldn't be too prohibitive.

Age has everything to do with cost, or rather with cost-effectiveness. You might invest $x million dollars in replacing the engines if you're going to get 20 years more out of the ship, but you might not invest the same $x million if you're only going to get 5 more years.

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cruisemole
First Class Passenger
Member # 2459

posted 03-16-2005 04:59 AM

It may be the Norway couldnt sail past 2010 anyway.

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