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posted 08-26-2003 04:20 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here are photos from P & O Brochures





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posted 11-29-2003 01:11 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the early 1960s, Silver Grill was located midship(Portside) on the A deck.
I checked the Oriana's deck plan issued Jul. 1970, Silver Grill was already removed and 10 additional cabins has been added.

Does anyone know when did she received some alterations?

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posted 11-29-2003 10:34 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The exterior off the Oriana is so ugly i think she is one off the least attrective off the Brittisch built in that eara. Buth here interior are one off the most handsome modern elegant and luxe. i think it's a missed chanse to built a ship that is just as handsom both exterior as interior.
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posted 11-29-2003 10:56 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maasdam - I agree. Externally, Canberra had her beaten. That said I know a lot of people who were frequent passengers on both, and most if not all preferred ORIANA. But her exterior, I'm afraid, is just plain ugly to my eye, no matter what a wonderful ship she might have been.
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posted 12-02-2003 01:31 PM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok what about these extraordinary Court Cabins?
I always wonder why they were not widely adopted?
Brilliant way to sell inside cabins at outside premiums for a limited view!
ssLewis

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posted 12-02-2003 02:50 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sslewis:
Ok what about these extraordinary Court Cabins?

Did ORIANA have those too? I know CANBERRA was famous for them...

And weren't they really just Bibby cabins anyhow?


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posted 12-02-2003 04:57 PM      Profile for Aussie1   Email Aussie1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes Oriana had them and no, they weren't Bibby cabins, not even close. Doug you need to have a look at some deck plans to really understand the difference. I believe the original court cabins appeared on the American Panama trio just prior to WW2.
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posted 12-03-2003 03:06 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's the description about Court Cabins for Canberra and Oriana


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posted 12-03-2003 02:37 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Aussie1:
Yes Oriana had them and no, they weren't Bibby cabins, not even close.

Ah... I see looking at that deck plan now. Sort of like the opposite of Bibby cabins!

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posted 12-04-2003 12:22 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What are Bibby cabins?
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posted 12-04-2003 11:16 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, quite a feat those Court Cabins.
Not sure if it was a trick to charge inside cabins at outside rates with a limited view?
Clever, but not widely adopted.
You would have thought it came back with the post-panamax very wide mass market ships such as Grand, Destiny or Voyagter class?
ssLewis, nearly booked Canberra as such

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posted 12-04-2003 05:47 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pretty clever those court cabins! But I wonder how it worked in reality.

How much day light would get in trough the narrow (30 cm?) window and how much of the “sea” view did the four inner cabins have. Was the court only accessible to the six court cabins or was is directly in contact with the corridor so that all passengers could access the court. Are the large windows beneath the lifeboat stations of Oriana (above picture) these so called large court windows?

If the court would be large enough it would make a nice “privet” central area for the six cabins where the passengers could have a drink before going to bed or play a game of cards and socialise with the other passengers of the court cabins.

Best, Onno

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posted 12-04-2003 07:12 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
What are Bibby cabins?

Bibby cabins were an arrangement, pre-air-conditioning, to allow shipowners to pack in a maximum number of cabins while allowing each and every one to have a porthole for ventilation's sake. Each cabin, essentially, had a small corridor reaching down to a porthole on the side of the ship. I'm terrible at describing these things, so here's a diagram to show what a typical arrangement of Bibby cabins might look like:

The cabins' doors would be off the big corridor marked "CORRIDOR", the little alleys leading off to the portholes are unmarked. Lousy diagram, I know, but it was cobbled together very quickly and should give the right idea...

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posted 12-04-2003 08:42 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My family and I stayed in one on the Canberra. We had an outside. The corridor walls were white for maximum reflection. It is not quite the same since you really cannot look out, and people can look in if the blinds are not drawn. The arrangement makes the outside cabins a bit tight on space.
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posted 12-05-2003 01:23 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Onno:

How much day light would get in trough the narrow (30 cm?) window and how much of the “sea” view did the four inner cabins have.

If Windows even narrowed. Inner court cabin's passenger had a same benefit to recognize
Day light or darknrss in their cabin as well as outside cabins.
they can easily to go end of the court, they could see " sea view " through big court windows.
If they didn't have Court windows nearby, they must go to the other deck where Pubilc sapce
located.

quote:

Are the large windows beneath the lifeboat stations of Oriana (above picture) these so called large court windows?

Oriana also had Court cabins on the Stadium Deck(One deck above the verandah deck)
Canberra's Court cabins situated all decks as well as other First Class passenger's cabins available.

Here's sample(P&O descibed Settee and table in the Canberra's Plan only) photo of the court
alleyway from Canberra's folder.

quote:
Originally posted by sslewis:

Not sure if it was a trick to charge inside cabins at outside rates with a limited view?

Please refer Cabin Grade are printed in red in the deck plans which shows B & C Deck.
Please consider Cabin space for instance Cabin #c64 and #c68 and also #c62 and #c66

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posted 12-05-2003 03:01 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh I like that. like a private lounging area for Court Cabin occupants.
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posted 12-06-2003 12:32 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So does Bibby Cabins cost less than regular Outside?
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posted 05-20-2005 02:29 AM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From NZ National Maritime Museum

quote:

1986 May 28 Departed from Sydney for the Hitachi Zosen shipyard where she was refitted for her new role. The propellors and rudder were removed and placed on the fore deck by the former crew's swimming pool.

1986 August 1 Moored at Oita, near Beppu, a resort on the Japanese island of Kyushu. She was welded to a wharf and her funnels were painted pink.


Oriana arrived at Sakai, Osaka on June 24th, 1986.
I have heard that one of the propellors presented to the City of Canberra.

Actually, Oriana opend to the public on August 1st, 1987 and funnels were painted Yellow not pink.

Oriana originally was to be opend as Accommodtion Ship as well as Marine Museum though not served as a hotel.
Beppu known as Spa resort and Empress of Britain regulary called on her world cruises.

There were three Restaurants in the formely Plough Tavern Area on Bathing Deck, the Ocean Bar on Verandah Deck and Stern Gallery on B Deck.
During the summer, Verandah deck aft was served as a beer garden.

At the time, Oriana welded to the pier by two fittings on the starboard and other fittings to the spceial anchorages on the port-side as like below.

from www.bridgestone-dp.jp

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posted 05-20-2005 11:41 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oriana welded to the pier and anchorages by fittings and the breakwaters protects in the Beppu port.

Unfortunatelly, her funnels were repainted pink at later years.

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posted 05-21-2005 09:53 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oriana in the Grand Harbour, Valetta, Malta.

The Elizabethan Restaurant


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posted 05-22-2005 11:21 PM      Profile for Ocean Liners     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Plough Tavern was located on Bathing Deck.

Princess Room(formerly First Class Lounge) on Verandah Deck.

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Whist the Oriana was mooring in Beppu port, the Bridge, Chart Room, Captain's Room, Radio Room, Cabins on Stadium Deck, the propellor and rudder on fore Deck and Engine Room opened to visitors.

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www.xhby.net have reported that Oriana calmly anchored in the port of Zhangjiagang on May 23rd.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
www.xhby.net have reported that Oriana calmly anchored in the port of Zhangjiagang on May 23rd.
Although running the story through Babelfish produces the alarming last sentence:-
quote:
In opens the shipyard, "Austria Li Anna" is opened the solution to become more than 20,000 tons scrap steel, entire opens the solution to estimate consumes when 5 months.
It'll take me rather longer to see what sense I can make of the Chinese myself, and compare that to the machine translation.

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quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:

In opens the shipyard, "Austria Li Anna" is opened the solution to become more than 20,000 tons scrap steel, entire opens the solution to estimate consumes when 5 months.


quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):

With regard to the comment about the amount of steel there will be from her being scraped it will be intersting to see if this is correct.

A number of people do not know that due to all her top superstructure being built out of aluminium it was possible for her to be built one deck taller than the Canberra.


I knew that almost 350,000 sq feet of alminium plating together 20 miles of special extruded alminium sections were used, that's why I din't post in my earlier post.

quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Having worked on Oriana as Maitre d'Hotel for her last ten years before she was sold to the Japanese I would like to say that she was a very happy ship and always popular with the passengers on the cruises from Australia.

With her steam turbine engines she was still very capable of cruising at over 27.5 knots if delayed. due to adverse weather conditions, and was always on time arriving in port.

I had a very happy time on board, made a lot of friends, and will be very sorry to see her scraped


The photo seen the Jabiru in the Cover of Menu printed in Australia for P&O Cruises.


Good bye - The Last Lady of the Orient Line.

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