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Topic: Green superstructures on Shaw Savill ships?

cruiseny
First Class Passenger
Member # 2928

posted 08-22-2002 10:56 PM

Just browsing through Simplon Postcards, one of my favorite sites, and noticed these old Shaw Savill postcards with green superstructures:

Is this what the ship really looked like, or are these cards discolored?

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jeffrossatsea
First Class Passenger
Member # 2962

posted 08-23-2002 03:57 AM

oh my god....ughh....maybe she's sea sick....lifeboats are white.....yup she's green alright.....blahhh....jeff

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Eric
First Class Passenger
Member # 2724

posted 08-23-2002 11:51 AM

Yes thats the colour, saw them in Southampton water 1957/8 regularly when stationed there. They made quite a stir then,not only for col but also because of the aft engines/funnel.
Eric

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cruiseny
First Class Passenger
Member # 2928

posted 08-23-2002 12:08 PM

Well I must say that is one ugly color!

I actually like the ship itself... But the color of the superstructure... Ugh... It is nauseating!

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PeterUK
First Class Passenger
Member # 1898

posted 08-23-2002 01:30 PM

This is ofcourse the Southern Cross which in many ways was the fore runner of today's cruise liners. She was one of the first ships to carry no cargo and to have her engines placed towards the aft so leaving the decks clear for passengers. Surprisingly she is still sailing from Fort Lauderdale on short cruise but I have lost track of what her current name is. a great testimony to her builders Harland and Wolff of Belfast.

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jeffrossatsea
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Member # 2962

posted 08-23-2002 02:23 PM

she's the "ocean breeze" for imperial majesty cruises....jeff

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cruiseny
First Class Passenger
Member # 2928

posted 08-23-2002 03:34 PM

Yes, she survived Premier by having the good fortune of Premier selling her to Imperial Majesty outright... She was previously chartered.

A nice ship... Silly name for a cruise line though... A budget line is best without pretense!

That was one of the great things about Carnival - they don't pretend to be Grand this and Royal that. And thus the expectations are in line with the product!

Same with Southwest Airlines. I firmly believe that their complaint record is so low because people don't go on Southwest expecting huge seats, fancy meals, entertainment, etc. If Delta or American gave the same service on the same flight for the same price pax would still be screaming!

Better stop now... Before I really get started!

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 08-23-2002 04:09 PM

As many know Cunard liked Green for cruising as well with the Caronia, Mauretania, Carmania, and Franconia, all displaying the "cruising green" livery at one time in their careers

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PauloMestre
First Class Passenger
Member # 1613

posted 08-23-2002 04:32 PM

Something I picked up in the Web:

Click here for a larger version:
Southern Cross in Perth

SOUTHERN CROSS docked at Perth, 1967.
Author unknown.

Best regards,
Paulo Mestre

[ 08-23-2002: Message edited by: PauloMestre ]

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
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posted 08-23-2002 05:04 PM

How about that chartreuse superstructure on a big red boat? LOL

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cruiseny
First Class Passenger
Member # 2928

posted 08-23-2002 05:13 PM

I think the cruising green is much better than this... If the superstructure on the Cunard ships was green, and I think it was, then it was much ligther than what Shaw Savill was using...

Also - what color was Southern Cross' hull? Gray? Or was it lavender like Union-Caslte?

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 08-23-2002 05:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by desirod6:
How about that chartreuse superstructure on a big red boat? LOL

That would be one big traffic light!

I think in real time that green color would have been much softer. Lets not forget that many older pictures where B/W photos that where painted in and in the early color pictures they had a terrible time of getting the colors accurate (mostly a much to sharp contrast) or keep the colors from fading many older color pictures tend to go yellowish/red. In the picture PauloMestre posted you can see that the green color is less dominant.

Best Onno

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 08-23-2002 10:30 PM

Hi..re the pix of Caronia (aka the "Chlorophyll Queen"). I seem to remember that when we saw her back in the '50s the green was graduated upwards, including the whole upperworks, with the darkest at the waterline.
...peter

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Michael534
First Class Passenger
Member # 2953

posted 08-24-2002 12:46 AM

Hello,

Yes, gohaze, it was graduated as you dicribed. I was just reading the thread and was thinking of adding that fact when I saw you question.
There wasn't too much of a difference in the shades and that may be why it doesn't show up very well in some pictures. No doubt for the same reasons that Onno stated above.

Smooth Seas,
Michael534

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empressport
First Class Passenger
Member # 2511

posted 08-24-2002 12:37 PM

I've always thought the Southern Cross was one of the uglier ships to come out of the 1950's. The funnel doesn't suit the rest of the ship, the bridge is set too far back. Canberra carried out the same theme far better.

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cruiseny
First Class Passenger
Member # 2928

posted 08-24-2002 01:07 PM

I don't mind Southern Cross... Definitely different, but not ugly.

Canberra had the same basic design, just dialated and with what was indeed a more interesting funnel.

I think the most elegant ship to have funnels aft in that era was the grande dame... Rotterdam V.

Much prettier than Southern Cross... I never had the chance to see Canberra but I suspect that Rotterdam was more to my taste too.

I still like midships funnels though... Statendam of 1957 is a good example of what I would call a really pretty ship from that era.

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Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 08-24-2002 01:15 PM

You learn something every day??? I didn't know the Southern Cross had a Green superstructure???

Interesting

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 08-24-2002 04:19 PM

Here's a pix of her sistership the Northern Star. The colours are better as you can tell by the funnel.
...peter

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cruiseny
First Class Passenger
Member # 2928

posted 08-24-2002 04:30 PM

I gather the hull is gray then, not lavender?

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 08-24-2002 05:00 PM

The "Lavender Ladies" were Union Castle Line.
...peter

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cruiseny
First Class Passenger
Member # 2928

posted 08-24-2002 05:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by gohaze:
The "Lavender Ladies" were Union Castle Line.

I know, but in the lower of the two pictures in my first post, the hull looked lavender... So it got me wondering as to whether lavender wasn't exclusive to Union-Castle.

I guess it was !

As an aside, I do like the lavender hulls... Distinctive and it looks nice to me... However would be horrible with this greenish superstructure !

The ship really does look like it has a touch of mal de mer!

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 08-25-2002 12:25 PM

They were a lime green & grey. The first two postcards really are too 'green'. The pic in 'Perth' was taken in 1967 by Bernard Hall, a chap who emigrated to New Zealand on her for £10 in 1963. His site has great information and photos of her launch by HM Queen Elizabeth II. [It was the first ship she christened/launched and chose the name herself]. Scroll down the left to the link on this page.
Maritime Matters also has lots of pages on Southern Cross, and for the colours of Shaw Savill see http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/shaw.htm
Pam

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 08-25-2002 12:40 PM

Her bridge showing the 'green' too. Somewhat sparce compared to Malcolm's Brilliance.

Pam

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robynp
First Class Passenger
Member # 3315

posted 09-01-2002 09:20 PM

Have just joined this club and lo and behold! Finding reference to Shaw Savill lines makes me go back to a half-world cruise I did 1970 (I think) on "Ocean Monarch"'s alleged "maiden voyage" from Southampton to Sydney.

Anyone know what happened to this ship? Had dreadful plumbing problems a couple of days out of Southampton (still not fixed by the time we arrived in Sydney some 7 weeks later) and I've never heard much of her since? Is she still rattling around somewhere under another name?

Thanks
Robyn

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Britanis
First Class Passenger
Member # 2912

posted 09-01-2002 09:32 PM

Ocean Monarch (ex Empress of England) was scrapped in 1975 after only 18 years of service. Her sisters, Empress of Canada and Empress of Britain survive as Royal Olympic's Apollon and Thompson's The Topaz. Simplon Postcards has a page about the shiphere

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