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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 12-02-2001 05:25 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Remind me, what is the oldest passenger ship in active service today?
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Eric Cruises
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posted 12-02-2001 06:58 AM      Profile for Eric Cruises   Author's Homepage   Email Eric Cruises   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think is belongs to DOULOS, a 80 years old passengers ship.
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Amerikanis
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posted 12-02-2001 08:22 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it is the "Regina Maris" built in Germany 1929 as "Vixen" for an American Multi-Millioneer by Krupp Germania Werft.

She is in Service in the Red Sea for an Egyptian Company with her first Engine
(Krupp Germania Diesel) She is until today an international Cruise Ship.

In the Eastern Part of Germany there are
some very old Vessels with Steam on the River Elbe. The eldest is more than 130 Years old and is originally renovated and still working in Summer Season.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 12-02-2001 09:06 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm...I was thinking of the oldest cruise ship (maybe an ex-Ocean Liner)?
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AJL
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posted 12-02-2001 09:24 AM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As far as I know:

Doulos is the oldest passenger ship (built 1914)

Regina Maris is the oldest cruise ship (built 1929)

Next oldest would be the Princesa Victoria (1936) & Ocean Explorer I (1944).

The M/V Doulos

The M/S Regina Maris

AJL


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Amerikanis
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posted 12-02-2001 04:06 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm, the eldest Cruise Ship is the "Regina Maris".
She was built in 1929 as an private Yacht for the American Wool-Magnate CARL JULIUS FORSTMANN, the name is of German Origin.
She has 170 beds in 84 Cabins, 82 of them outside.
She was for some Years in the Programme of the well-known German Cruise Operator "PHOENIX REISEN", where she followed the Turkish "AKDENIZ".

The second eldest is the former DUNOTTAR CASTLE, built in 1936 by HARLAND & WOLFF and in her origin an Ship of the well known UNION CASTLE LINE. Now Princesa Victoria of
Louis Cruises.

On this Ship i made an Cruise in 1983 as "Victoria" from CHANDRIS LINES, starting
23rd of July to 6th of August and going from Amsterdam to Spitzbergen and Norvegian Cost.

This was my first Cruise with an Western Ship, after "Ivan Franco", my starter and
"Fedor Shaljapin", the former FRANCONIA of Cunard Lines.


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PamM
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posted 12-02-2001 06:46 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I seem to rememebr this topic coming up before and that mv Doulos was originally a cargo ship and only converted to a passenger ship in the late 40's, and completely rebuilt as a cruise ship by Costa? sometime later? Lots of guises.

Pam


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titanicsteve
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posted 12-03-2001 04:32 AM      Profile for titanicsteve   Email titanicsteve   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The oldest ship here you go all the info you need!
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Frank X. Prudent
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posted 12-03-2001 12:48 PM      Profile for Frank X. Prudent   Email Frank X. Prudent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The oldest passenger ship operating? Well, the Str. BELLE OF LOUISVILLE has been carrying passengers with the same two horizontal steam engines and blowing the same whistle since January 1915. She was ready to leave the builder's yard in December 1914 but ice in the Pittsburg, PA. harbor kept her from leaving. The Str. DELTA QUEEN has only been hauling overnight passengers since June 1927. She has always carried the same name too!
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Rex
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posted 12-04-2001 05:09 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't forget the VALTUR PRIMA (which seems to have disappeared), which was built as the STOCKHOLM in 1948.
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Amerikanis
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posted 12-05-2001 01:16 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The VALTUR PRIMA is layod off in Havanna/Cuba since October 1st.
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Ðraikar
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posted 12-05-2001 03:54 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oldest passenger ship would be the Doulos of 1914, here is a photo from a web page about her in 1914

http://www.crosswinds.net/~mvdoulos/doulos0.htm

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Rex
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posted 12-05-2001 04:39 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amerikanis:
The VALTUR PRIMA is layod off in Havanna/Cuba since October 1st. [QUOTE]

I hope she won't be scrapped, she's basically a new ship, right? What happened to the Cuba cruises and why did they stop?


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Amerikanis
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posted 12-05-2001 05:02 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rex, i do not know.
The former Stockholm sunk in 1956 the
ANDREA DORIA on the Way from Italy to New York.
The Swedish Company sold the Ship to the "DDR", the former Communist Part of Germany, where she was named "VÖLKERFREUNDSCHAFT", that means in english: "Friendship between the Nations".
Later she had the Names VOLKER, FRIDTJOF NANSEN.
The i see her in Genova, Italy as an old,
partly rusty Hull, where she was inside completely rebuilt as ITALIA PRIMA
for an Italian Company (NINA) and in Charter of the German Neckermann Seereisen.

I saw her on one of her last days as Italia Prima in Madeira, Portugal, when i was there with the "MELODY" of MSC.

She becomes VALTUR PRIMA, for the Italian Club Valtur and offered Cruises round Cuba,
following the COSTA PLAYA, which was stopped in Cuban Business when CARNIVAL CRUISE LINES
bought Costa Cruises.

The Costa Playa was sold as an swimming Casino to the Far East.

Since September 11 this Year (you remember
the attack in New York), the Business is more difficult for some Companies in Cruising and for Airlines.

In Europe are the SWISSAIR and SABENA in
Bankruptcy (Airlines),

and the "Reisebüro Mittelthurgau" with the "Switzerland" in Cruise Business.

Switzerland is layed off in Genova since September 25th.

More ships out of order since September:

R 1-8
Pacific Princess
Renaissance Seven
" Eight
Silver Wind
Song of Flower

and the Valtur Prima and Switzerland.

The interior of the Spip is relatively new,
only the Hull is from 1948.

I think, she is an nice Ship.


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Rex
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posted 12-06-2001 09:27 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think VALTUR PRIMA is the most fascinating ship afloat -- I would love to sail her. Basically, she is a rehabilitated criminal with a funnel. Her history is unique among any of the older ships. My congressmen said he was not sure if Yanks could sail her or not, but I ordered her brochure (which was never sent to me), figuring I could at least dream.
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Amerikanis
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posted 12-06-2001 10:42 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rex, basis Port is HAVANNA/CUBA.

It is an problem of your Government, 40 years after Cuban Revolution and the Desaster of the CIA to boycott this Country.

It will be no problem, if you take the Cruise with starting in Europe on an Airport and fly to Havanna, i think.

an other Alternative for an Club-ship is the
Aida, now belonging to P&O.

She starts from Dominican Republic, i think.

In Summer, she is in Europe, starting at
Mallorca/Spain.


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lambcom
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posted 12-06-2001 01:52 PM      Profile for lambcom   Email lambcom   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Americans can also easily fly to Havana (or other Cuban cities for that matter) from either Montreal or Toronto Canada.

It is my understanding that the Cuban government, hungry for Yankee dollars, are pleased not to stamp your passport either on entry or departure so that no one in the US government will ever know you have broken any laws.

While I hesitate to mention this on a cruise board, Canadians (and Europeans) have been taking advantage of excellent and dirt cheap all inclusive resort vacations in Cuba for years.


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Amerikanis
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posted 12-13-2001 05:30 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lambcom, today was an Article in our local Newspaper "Schwarzwälder Bote"
(Black Forest News), that our third biggest
Tourist Company REWE (with the labels:
ITS, LTU, LTI, Primasol) has an excellent
grow up in Sales for Tours to CUBA; MAROC,
TUNISIE; EGYPT.

In Egypt they bring a new 5-star Cruiseship: Calimera Mirage for the River Nile.

Better succes is also in Bulgaria and on Greek Islands.

We do not need expensive Caribbean Islands
where Yankees pay all Prices which are asked
(and when they turn their back, the
Caribs laugh at them, but they take the Dollars...).


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gohaze
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posted 12-13-2001 06:08 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Amerikanis...have you ever really compared what Europeans &/or Germans in particular, pay for their holidays in comparison to North Americans. I'd suggest that with cruises you people are getting soaked. Malcolm is always complaining about "rip-off" Britain.
And as for being laughed at. Well, your own nationality is pretty close to the top of the list for that.
....peter

[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: gohaze ]


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Frank X. Prudent
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posted 12-13-2001 10:31 PM      Profile for Frank X. Prudent   Email Frank X. Prudent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, that is all very nice, but what does it have to do with the oldest operating passenger ship?
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Amerikanis
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posted 12-14-2001 02:19 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gohaze, for Cruises, it is true, what Malcolm says.

Cruises are cheap for us, in the Caribbean,
if we are intelligent enough, NOT to book an German Ship. They are expensive.

I myself prefer Celebrity, but never pay asked Brochure Prices.

At the Moment there is in German Television Teletext offer an Cruise for the CENTURY, starting 22nd of December for 2 weeks including Flight from Germany to Ft. Lauderdale in the inside Cabin for DM
2.699,--, this is about Dollar US 1.250,--.

including flight and Taxes, Harbour fees,
Cruise for two weeks,

excluding Tips and personal Costs (Excurison,
Drinks etc.).

This is an good Price for an Excellent Ship.

I think, the same is for Malcolm with British Ships (P&O, Princess).

Our expensive Ships are Deutschland, Europa
(and some little more)

the less expensive Berlin, Astor, Astoria, Maxim Gorky, Albatros.

But all the above are in Relation between Money you pay and what you get for TOO
Expensive.


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QM2
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posted 12-14-2001 06:14 PM      Profile for QM2   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
AN 85-YEAR-OLd passenger ship that was abandoned by the defeated German army in
Tanganyika during the First World War is still operating after a major
renovation in 1970.

The mv Liemba, known as Graf von Gotzen during the war, served as a cargo
ship on Lake Tanganyika. It was left behind by the Germans, who opened its
water valves so that it could sink rather than leave it for the victorious
British army.

In 1922 the British retrieved the vessel from the floor of Lake Tanganyika
and reinstated it as a cargo/passenger vessel.

Then in 1970, the ship's accommodation facilities were renovated and its
passenger capacity increased from 430 to 600. Its coal fired engines were
replaced with diesel-powered ones to give it an additional 20 years.

According to the Tanzania Railways Corporation, mv Liemba was built in 1913
at Meyers Shipyard, in Papenburg,Germany, and transported in pieces and
re-assembled at the Kigoma shipyard in 1914.

Marcus Castell
New Zealand National Maritime Museum http://www.nzmaritime.co.nz/index.html


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