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Nico
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posted 08-11-2001 06:10 PM      Profile for Nico   Email Nico   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have been to Ilichyovsk port (Ukraine, near Odessa) and visited TS Fedor Shalyapin. The ship is for sale to the scrappers. Here is the history of the ship.
P.S. The photos will be added soon

T.S. «FEDOR SHALYAPIN»
Former names: IVERNIA (1955-1962), FRANCONIA (1962-1973)
Built: 1955 by John Brown & Co. Ltd, Clydebank, Scotland, UK
Yard No: 693
Gross Registered Tonnage: 21, 717
Net Registered Tonnage: 11, 042
Deadweight Tonnage: 8, 472
Length overall: 185.4 m (608 feet)
Beam: 24.5 m (80 feet)
Draft: 8 m (28 feet)
Engines: 4 x John Brown steam turbines (18 300 kW)
Screws: 2
Service speed: 19.5 knots (22.5 max)
Passengers: 925 (125 – first class, 800 – tourist class)
Crew: 461

Launched 14 December 1954 as IVERNIA. Completed in June 1955 with her maiden voyage July 1, Greenock to Montreal. She was the second unit in the series of four sister ships known as the "Saxonia Class" built for the Cunard’s North Atlantic, England to Canada service. (Southampton/Liverpool/Greenock – Montreal and Quebec). The first unit of the series was SAXONIA (1954), the third – CARINTHIA (1956), the forth – SYLVANIA (1957).
With falling passenger traffic on the North Atlantic she and her sister SAXONIA (later renamed CARMANIA) were refitted as cruise ships. During 1962 they returned to their builders, John Brown & Co. at Clydebank, for dramatic reconstruction (which included the replacement of the cargo holds with passenger accommodation). IVERNIA stayed there from October 1962 till June 1963, being renamed into FRANCONIA in January 1963. Remeasured at 22,592 GRT, her hull and superstructure were repainted in several shades of green like the famous CARONIA of 1948. Full air-conditioning throughout and bathroom facilities were added to the tourist cabins. A lido area with a heated kidney shaped pool was added aft, surrounded by a sun terrace sheltered by glass screens. Accommodation for 117 first, and 764 tourist class passengers. She sailed on her first voyage from Rotterdam to Montreal July 1963, cruising from Florida to the Caribbean in the winter. In 1967 she was painted white.
In 1970 she was registered in Southampton and it was clear that she and her renamed sister CARMANIA were in need of a refit. British yards were approached but instead both ships were laid up for sale in Southampton. In 1972 they were moved to the River Fal in Cornwall. Bought by Nikreis Maritime Corp. (Panama) in August 1973, which acquired them for the Soviet State Shipping Company «Morflot».
She was renamed FEDOR SHALYAPIN (after a famous Russian singer Fyodor Ivanovich Salyapin 1873-1938) and was registered with Far Eastern Shipping Co (FESCO, home port – Vladivostok, name written in Russian & English) while CARMANIA were renamed LEONID SOBINOV and registered with Black Sea Shipping Co (BLASCO, home port – Odessa). Following a refit by Swan Hunter at South Shields, Newcastle, both were chartered to British-based CTC Lines and cruised Australian waters and made occasional UK to Australia voyages. Her first voyage under new name started 20 November 1973 bound for Sydney.
This segment of her career ended when Australia banned Russian ships from their ports in December 1979 after Soviet troops invaded Afghanistan. She was transferred to BLASCO (Odessa, name written in Russian). Later used for trooping between Cuba and Angola and Mediterranean cruises. In 1989 both sisters were given a refit and mechanical overhaul which saw much of her original furnishing and panelling replaced. In 1991, with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, both ships were transferred to BLASCO subsidiary Odessa Cruises and registered at Valetta (Malta, name written in English), spending their final active years on low-budget Mediterranean service.
In 1995 both sisters were laid up at Iliychevsk, Ukraine in need of mechanical repairs and cosmetic upgrading. Despite rumours that SOBINOV had been scrapped in Calcutta in 1997, both sisters remained idle until December 1998. LEONID SOBINOV left her berth in late January 1999 bound for Alang, India for scrapping. FEDOR SHALYAPIN is still there, awaiting her last owners.

[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Nico ]


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posted 08-11-2001 07:56 PM      Profile for Baker   Email Baker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thats sad to hear my old ship is ready for the scrap heap, I joined her in 1960, as a very green young man of 17, and sailed on the Montreal / Quebec run, she was the first ship to reach Montreal through the ice in the spring of 61, I have an ariel photo of us docking. She would go to New York in the winter time and we generaly parked by the slightly larger Mary or Lizzie. Its the end of a great era that unfortunatly you younger folks have missed out on, its not the same today, but I guess thats progress B
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Karsten
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posted 08-12-2001 08:20 AM      Profile for Karsten   Author's Homepage   Email Karsten   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Saw the FEDOR some years ago at Amsterdam... she looked well... Hope that there will be a wonder to save her... but I don´t really believe it
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Cunardcoll
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posted 08-12-2001 08:31 AM      Profile for Cunardcoll   Author's Homepage   Email Cunardcoll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What is price they ask for selling her ???
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Patrick
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posted 08-12-2001 03:29 PM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another excellent report. Thanks again !
I saw the FEDOR as well in Amsterdam some yeas ago and she was still in good condition, already under the management of Odessa Sun Ltd., Malta which was working for BLASCO. The furniture was still the old heavy wooden furniture from Cunard times in the cabins. Not bad !
The ships value is estimated by Blasco between 3 and 3.5 Million US $ but the ship needs much refurbishment, especially on the mechanical side which would overcome the real value of the ship highly if you consider to bring her back to cruise. If I compare the FEDOR to our ODESSA, you could easily spend an equal sum in refurbishments like we have to spend into the ODESSA but the ODESSA is a much newer and smaller unit and will come out as a ***+ ship while the FEDOR would still be only a ** ship. The risk in refurbishing the FEDOR and getting unpleasant surprises later on is much, much higher.
Anyway, I would love to see this ship being kept, even if only as a floating hotel or museum in the cruise-port of Odessa.

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Jesse C
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posted 08-12-2001 03:37 PM      Profile for Jesse C   Email Jesse C   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Laid up ships often have not so great fates.

They Sink or go to the Ship Graveyard.. GHADANI BEACH!!!!!!!

Also Taiwan and Bangladesh have them too. Anyways, don't expect any laid up ships to have great ftures!


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nzmike
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posted 08-12-2001 03:46 PM      Profile for nzmike   Email nzmike   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is a very good report on the Maritime Matters website with exterior and interior shots of the Leonid Sobinov, now scrapped.
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Amerikanis
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posted 08-13-2001 08:23 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Patrick, is it true, the Odessa comes back?

I see her in October last year in Naples.

In "an Bord" i read, she will not come back?!


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Patrick
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posted 08-13-2001 01:13 PM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jürgen Saupe from "An Bord" did just write a short note about the ODESSA to fill up the space on the last page. It is absolutely nonesense that he wrote that ship's furniture was sold by the security crew which ist still onboard right now. Everything onboard the ODESSA is still there and the crew is honest enough to not sell things which don't belong to them. Further more Jürgen Saupe mentions a sum of 8 Million US $ which is not at all the realistic amount of the vessel's current value.
And last but not least, the picture he has put in dates from some years ago and is not a recent one.
On one side I have to say that he could´n't know better what to write because he doesn't know any detail of our project. But it makes me a bit upset anyway that he is publishing things in "An Bord" and "Schiffahrt International" which are simply not true. If he is not sure about what to write, then better write nothing at all.
I immediately wrote a fax to him concerning this matter and we made a proposal to publish an updated report about the current situation of ODESSA.
We are currently doing our best to bring this ship back on the German market but still many things have to be negotiated and it's too early to say when it will take place.
And what "An Bord" is concerned: The magazine is not bad but lots of things they write are wrong. The latest issue was the best proof of it. It's a pity, with a bit more "new wind" behind the scenes, this magazine could be even better.

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Amerikanis
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posted 08-14-2001 04:11 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Patrick, that is true.
I read the "an Bord" since many years, since
the time of "Seereisen Magazin", the former
name of the magacine.

A lot of things are not true or not good
recherched. But it is an unique magacine for
cruisegoers in German Language.

Will hope, the Odessa comes back. A friend of me had a cruise on this ship and was happy there.

I myself had no cruise on this ship.

My Russian or Ukrainean ships are
Ivan Franco, Shaljapin, Taras Shevchenko,
Astra, Nicolaij Baumann, General Lavrinenkov.

All in the cheap segment.

In the past, Odessa was not cheap.

In the last 10 years, i prefer Chandris/Celebrity.


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posted 08-14-2001 04:37 AM      Profile for Ship'sEnthusiast   Author's Homepage   Email Ship'sEnthusiast   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear Patrick,

Allow me to say that I was very happy to know about your efforts to bring back to service the beautiful "Odessa".
If possible I would like to know why did she spent so many time "alone" in Naples, because after reading your comments,I believe that she is in perfect conditions, further,I believe that such a cosy and relatively small ship should have many companies interested in acquiring her,possibly to operate expeditions cruises to the Amazonas,Indonesia...and other exotic destinations that the present "Box Passenger Carriers"-Grand Princess, carnival destiny and others..- are not able to visit.

Congratulations Patrick, and I wish all the best to you and to your project concerning revitalising the former "Copenhagen"; more well known as Blasco's -"Odessa".
And when you shall bring her back please keep the name, or in case of renaming her please give her a meningful German name, perhaps...Cap Arkona?

All the best...

dimasalmada@iol.pt


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AJL
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posted 08-14-2001 07:39 AM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello! The magnificant photos of the Fedor Shalyapin taken by Nikolay in Ukraine are now available at:
http://shiplover2.virtualave.net/images/Shalyapin.html

Here's an example:

AJL


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Patrick
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posted 08-14-2001 07:40 AM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, the situation of the ODESSA is quite a complicate one. First of all, BLASCO did not want to sell the ship because it is still their flagship (means the only one remaining under full BLASCO register). Further more, all public auctions were regulary cancelled because ways were found to proof groundlessnesses in claims of the creditors.
If you want, there are many things going on behind the scenes and the court which are not very clear and this is one of the main things why other companies kept away from this ship.
As well, for an international company, this ship is not so special as it would be for a company on the German market. Most of them stayed away as well because they just see the ship from outside and do not know about the interior condition which is really a good one. And many of the new companies are interested in having new and bigger and new tonnage, especially international ones.

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Amerikanis
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posted 08-14-2001 09:35 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think, for real cruise lovers, some smaller ships should be saved.
The big ships are no ships, they are swimming hotel complexes.
This has advantages (much space, entertainment etc.)
and disadvantages (unpersonal, no real
sea-feeling).

for the German Market, this ship will be good, because it is known very well
and the Germans are mostly no Friends
of round the clock-entertainment and
round-the-deck walkways.

They prefer good food and service and an
personal note...


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posted 08-14-2001 05:40 PM      Profile for Cunardcoll   Author's Homepage   Email Cunardcoll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great pictures of the Fedor Shalyapin , well done !!!
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posted 08-15-2001 01:12 AM      Profile for Baker   Email Baker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Nico,
Thanks for the photos of my old ship, "Ivernia" I never thought I would get to see her again, but thanks to you, you have taken me back down memory lane, to when I was 17 and joined her as an assistant baker at Southampton England and had never set foot on a ship before in my life. She sailed on a six day crossing to Montreal Canada and in the winter when the St Lawrence River was frozen she would sail to Halifax NS and then to New York.
I left her in 1961, to try a warmer run to Australia. She has been here to Australia as "Fedor Shalyapin" and we had an incident in Melbourne when a young stewardess wearing only a red bikini squeezed through a porthole into the harbour. Great memories,
Thanks Nico...

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Amerikanis
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posted 08-15-2001 05:39 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, did the young stewardess not enjoy the advantage and benefits of communist system?
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posted 08-16-2001 01:25 AM      Profile for Baker   Email Baker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
G,day Amerikanis,
You got it right first time, she wanted to try the decadant system we have in the west, plenty of tips and as many Marlboro as she wanted, I believe she got assylum here in Australia. She probably has four kids, two husbands, a beer belly and owes the tax office a load of back taxes by now, ha ha. B

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Nico
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posted 08-16-2001 06:19 AM      Profile for Nico   Email Nico   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To Baker: do you remember who was the captain in her IVERNIA times?

To Amerikanis: do you remember any captain’s names of the Soviet ships you sailed on?

Thanks


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Amerikanis
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posted 08-16-2001 07:09 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To Nico.

Yes, i remember Ivan Franco in 1981, 1985, 1987.

All the time Captain was VICTOR DAVIDOV.

Chief cook was NICOLAIY OGANOV (so called"Fat Nicolaiy", because his figure.
He was cook in the Cremlin under
Nikita Chrustschov, the Soviet President
after Dschugaschwili (Stalin).

Captain on board the "Fedor Shaljapin" in
1982 was VICTOR TCHERNYSHOV.

Captain on board the "Nicolaij Baumann"
on River Volga in 1992 was ANATOLI GORBADEJEV

The Captain on board the "Astra" in 1993
has the pre-name "Wladimir". Family name i forgot.

The captain on board the "General Lavrinenkov" on the River Dnepr
i do not know. Cruise Director was
KARL MARX, an Russian Jew, who speaks seven
languages fluently.

He is from the same family than the famous Karl Marx, wo wrote the COMMUNIST MANIFEST
together with FRIEDRICH ENGELS in 1849
in London Exile.


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posted 08-16-2001 01:36 PM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember from ASTRA I captain Vitaliy I. Martyukov, from ASTRA II captain Yevgeniy Balashov (was also master of COLUMBUS CARAVELLE) and captain Valentin Shukov, one of the most friendly captains I've ever met.

Onboard the PALMIRA we had first captain Valentin Stepanovskiy but since he didn't speak English very well and couldn´t really get along well with the vessel, the PALMIRA got captain Oleg P. Kravets, a young, dynamic captain who does an excellent job and on who you can count in any matter.
On the PALOMA, captain Oleksandr Marchenko does a very good job too.
On MAXIM GORKIY, currently captain Vladimir Yakomov is the master together with Pyotr Pashegor. The former, well-known MAXIM-captain Gennadi Saverucha is currently master of the russian-managed REGINA MARIS.
On the ASTOR, captain Yuriy Kromykh and captain Valentin Sidorov are currently onboard, in exchange with captain Ivan Shramko and captain Aleksandr Lisnychy - both will go on the Astoria in February next year.
On the ODESSA we currently have captain Vladimir Lobanov, an experienced guy who knows the ship very well. I hope to be able to keep him when we get the ODESSA ready for cruising again maybe together with captain Kravets from the PALMIRA.


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posted 08-16-2001 04:33 PM      Profile for Nico   Email Nico   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
VICTOR TCHERNYSHOV was the captain of FEDOR SHALYAPIN till she was laid up in Il’ichyovsk in 1995. He was also the captain on LEONID SOBINOV in 1999 on her last sail from Odessa to India for scrapping.

It’s a pity that GENNADIY SAVERUCHA (as I understand it’s German spelling, and English spelling is ZAVERYUKHA) was transferred from MAXIM GORKIY. I guess he was the right captain for such a beautiful ship. It’s also interesting that now there are two captains on many ships. I think it’s unreasonable – only one person can hold the Master’s post on the ship. Then goes staff captain, chief officer, etc…

If you know any Soviet captains you are welcome to write about them here.


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G,day Nico,
Yes I remember our Captain, he was Captain William Warwick, he went on to command every Cunard liner and was the only master of all three Queens,he was the master on the QE2 on her maiden voyage and he became Commodore of the Cunard Line, he died in 1999 aged 87. One of his sons has been the master of the QE2 for many years now.
We on the "Ivy" thought he was a slow driver, we always got into New York late, he never opened her up like some of the younger standby Captains did,then we used to rocket across the big pond ( atlantic ). B

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Patrick,an update for you:
Valentin Sidorov is not on the Astor anymore. He is employed as captain in the caribbean. (..and for some reasons I do not believe that you will ever find Valentin Sidorow and Iury Kromikh on the same vessel)

Piotr Pashegor left the Maxim Gorkiy and is now director of Acomarit/Odessa.

Nico: One comment to the "2"captains:
There is only 1 captain onboard. In case of the Astor it is more a training issue than anything else. (e.g. if Capt. Kromikh is onboard Ivan Shramko is Staff Captain)
On the Maxim Gorkiy the position of a "navigation captain" was implemented since the incedent in the arctic sea happened. It should guarantee to have somebody on the bridge with a captain's license in case that the "real" master is occupied with other obligations. It is actually just different wording in comparison to other vessels.


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posted 08-17-2001 11:11 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hallo, Patrick,

yes, i remember too, it was Vitaly not Wladimir Martyukov.

He has signed my< logbook, but his prename is
only an "B", that is the russian "W".

the faliliy name is Martyukov, with some phantasie it is possible to read is
letters by hand written.


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Description: For centuries people have traveled to Europe to see magnificent ruins, art treasures and natural wonders. And the best way to do so is by cruise ship. Think of it - you pack and unpack only once. No wasted time searching for hotels and negotiating train stations. Instead, you arrive at romantic ports of call relaxed, refreshed and ready to take on the world.
Holland America - Alaska from From $499 per person
Description: Sail between Vancouver and Seward, departing Sundays on the ms Statendam or ms Volendam and enjoy towering mountains, actively calving glaciers and pristine wildlife habitat. Glacier Bay and College Fjord offer two completely different glacier-viewing experiences.

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