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BrionP
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posted 12-07-2000 06:32 PM      Profile for BrionP   Email BrionP   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

I was stunned to read Joe Farcus will be the interior design architect for the QM2 project. I know this site has it's Carnival fans but I am not one of them. Farcus' designs may be acceptable for 7 day mass market fun ships but I do not for a moment believe has has the talent, taste or style to begin to do justice to the most anticipated and prestigeous luxury liner to be built in the last half century.
I tried to give Farcus the benefit of the doubt when I booked the Costa Atlantica; I was hoping he might be able to pull off designing a ship with a classic Italian feel to it. I was frankly disgusted when I stepped aboard Atlantica and saw nothing less than a Carnival ship with the Costa name on it. There was no trace of the sophisticated Italian chic I had come to expect from Costa. Now after that dissapointment I find the the QM2 is to be "Farcusized". This news has really dashed my hopes for the QM2 to be the ocean liner I have been waiting for.
I am very interested in hearing what others may think. PLEASE COMMENT

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desirod7
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posted 12-07-2000 07:09 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by BrionP:

has the talent, taste or style to begin to do justice to the most anticipated and prestigeous luxury liner to be built in the last half century.
I am very interested in hearing what others may think. PLEASE COMMENT

Maybe Jordan Moser, Phillipe Stark [Schrager Hotels] or Mario Buotta. They would do an interesting job.

The Costa Romantica won design awards, I forget the Italian designer's name.

Interior design is space planning, circulation of people through the space, [who likes long buffet lines, and getting lost],integration of life support systems.
They need to understand intimately how people live, work, and travel.

They deal with complex design issues. Now add camber, shear, vibration, shock, etc. that a ship brings on.

Interior Designers have to be liscensed in Canada. In the US there is the NCIDQ. www.icidq.org This certifies Interior Designers as professionals.

Check out www.ASID.org

Decoration is a different discipline. Many laymen confuse interior decorators who pick fabrics, colors, window treatments etc. with Interior designers. The superficial decoration is the last part of the interior design process, albiet important.

Dorothy Markwald was a pioneer, she did the SSUS, made it look good w/o wood. She also scientifically determined best colors, and forms that minimize rolling/pithching motions that cause seasickness.

The famed Italian Architect Gio Ponte, did the Andrea Doria.

Hearing interviews of Farcus, his first love is the Golden age of liners. All prominent designers are savvy business people.

The Carnival ships all have themes. It is called 'Entertainment Architecture' ala Planet Hollywood-Hard Rock Cafe.

Purpose here is to take ordinary people and make them feel special, as to be on an elaborate stage set with Fred & Ginger or a line of chorus girls.

From the renederings I have seen of the QM2, it is Transatlantic deco revival.

I am not worried.


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joe at travelpage
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posted 12-07-2000 09:29 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's early still, but to see what's planned check out our QM2 page at http://www.cruiseserver.net/travelpage/ships/cu_qm2.asp

Joe at TravelPage.com


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BrionP
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posted 12-07-2000 10:45 PM      Profile for BrionP   Email BrionP   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Desirod6,
I hope your optimism is well founded. I would like nothing more than to have my fears about Farcus' involvement in the QM2 project proven wrong.
I can appreciate Farcus' ability to create good SPACES; I admire his more recent deck plans. The Atlantica had a great layout. I just kept wishing the decoration had been more restrained. The lobby was a wonderful SPACE, but there was no surface left unadorned-it was an explosion of color and texture heaped one upon the other in dizzying detail that was just too much.
On the Atlantica and even on the Carnival ships there are individual features I like, certain light fixtures, wall treatments, floor coverings, types of funiture, which by themselves are exsquisite. But the avalanche of so man different features and intricate details thrown together in almost all spaces is overwhelming and ultimately unpleasant.
Unfortanately I have yet to see a project of Farcus' I have truly liked. I hope he will be able to contain himself and produce something eqivalent to the renderings I have seen of the QM2 interiors.
It just seems once he gets going he can't help himself and is compelled to keep adding layer upon layer of superfluous detail.

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Gerry
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posted 12-08-2000 08:11 AM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BrionP,

Please tell me where you read this as it is completely false information.


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Terry
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posted 12-08-2000 08:52 AM      Profile for Terry   Email Terry   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gerry
Please amplify. Is Joe Farcus not involved with the QM2 design?

I must admit that I have had a few worries about what Carnival would do with their new ship. Yet all that has been released so far seems as has been said to be "Steamship Art Deco" at its most nostalgic.

Even if Joe is not in the main design loop I sure he will have an input. I think this happened with the HAL newbuilds. Overall a good design just a few garish additions two much.

Terry Donegan


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posted 12-08-2000 09:58 AM      Profile for Italian Cruiser   Email Italian Cruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To desirod6:the design of the Costa Romantica was done by the architects Pierluigi Cerri and Ivana Porfiri of Gregotti Associati in Milan with the tecnic contribution of B&B maritime designers.The ship is the most elegant in the Costa fleet with the sophisticated Costa Allegra.I don't like the interiors of the Costa Atlantica:there is nothing of italian style(I have boked 2 cruises on this ship for december only because it offers many private balconies).The QM2 will be too colorfull with Farcus to integrate well in a classic elegant line like Cunard(G.De Jorio will be far better:the interiors of the Costa Riviera before 1993 were wonderful).
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desirod7
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posted 12-08-2000 11:40 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by italian cruiser:
To desirod6:the design of the Costa Romantica was done by the architects Pierluigi Cerri and Ivana Porfiri of Gregotti Associati in Milan with the tecnic contribution of B&B maritime designers.).

Thank you for jogging my memory.

A good professional designer/engineer will specify what is APPROPRIATE for the task and subordinate his ego.
It is the 'hack' who imposes his taste, they go out of business fast, they go stale and their look goes out of style.

A Victorian parlor for a gymnasium is as inappropriate as a chrome and neon gymnasium is for an on-board chapel. [Gallileo and the Normandie had beautiful ones]

Farcus is no idiot. Nor is Carnival

Carnival started in 1975ish with 3 old liners and bought HAL and Cunard, 2 centuries old famous companies. Many lines using Carnival as a model have gone under [Premier, Regency, Greek Line, and a few more]


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BrionP
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posted 12-08-2000 04:57 PM      Profile for BrionP   Email BrionP   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gerry,
I got this information from the "interior design" link at the webpage:
http://queenmary2.cjb.net/

Please forgive me for speading this information if it is indeed false; I just got off of the Costa Atlantica and was horrified by what Joe Farcus had done to her-the mere possibility he may have anything to do with the QM2 had me spinning.
I am relieved to hear you say it is not true. Farcus should not be allowed to touch QM2.


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CTrail
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posted 12-09-2000 07:56 AM      Profile for CTrail     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't shoot the messenger (Carnival/Costa/Cunard). The QM2 site certainly tends to say that Farcus will be designing the interior of the QM2 or at least have a lerge role in it's design. But let's not go off the deep end either. Carnival let him design their interiors the way he did because that was the image that they wanted to portray. Costa probably wanted to update/change their image as well. If Carnival/Cunard want a different image I'm sure that Farcus as a professional will be able to supply the appropriate designs.
As far as ruining an old steam ship design, they already have. I would think they are going to power it with diesel electric propulsion, where are the boilers, the coal(bunker oil) the sut, put thrusters in her midship and bow. They won't need the tugboat to ease them away from the pier. They probably won't even have steerage class passengers. You are right though, that really ruins the old steam ship design.

Come on folks, as much as most of you don't like CARNIVAL/Costa/HAL/Seabourne/Cunard etc. You know they are here to stay. They are a major player and they seem to know what will keep them that way. If you own something, you can change it. Buy HAL, buy Costa, buy Cunard, buy Seabourne etc or buy controlling interest and if you see something that you feel could be done better in your eyes, change it. You all like your individual lines, then give Carnival their due for probably saving them from bankruptcy. Remember that these ship lines were floundering when revived by Carnival.

I think QM2 will be a great addition for Cunard. By the way, I haven't heard anyone bitching about TV's in the staterooms, up to date mediacal facilities etc.

Foodforthought.

Peter


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QM2
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posted 12-09-2000 11:59 PM      Profile for QM2   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's an excerpt from amended interior design page at http://queenmary2.cjb.net

"From Robert Tillberg's studio in the village of Viken in Southern Sweden, has originated the interior design of more than 60 passenger ships in the last 40 years. At Fort Lauderdale, his son Tomas heads the American branch and with teams based in London and Hong Kong as well, they employ more than 50 designers of 14 different nationalities. In London's fashionable Fitzrovia, Lennart Ekstedt (right) and his talented group of designers are creating a virtual reality simulation of the ship's interior.

Three dimensional computer modelling software and the physical size of the new liner have opened the door to a whole new realm of possibilities. The design will afford a space ratio of 57.25 cubic metres per passenger, that's 50% more than aboard the 100,000 ton Destiny class vessels and 30% more than aboard the 137,000 ton Voyager class liners. This will allow for a variety of public areas on a grand scale and some truly magnificent living spaces.

The intelligent model of the liner includes comprehensive details of construction materials and characteristics, surface areas and volumes; thermal properties; room descriptions; costs; specific product information and finish schedules. After construction is complete, Cunard managers will be able to use the integrated computer model to track inventories and modify spaces"......


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CTrail
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posted 12-10-2000 03:20 PM      Profile for CTrail     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This isn't an amended page, this is an entirely different story to the one that was being spun here before.

Talesonthewww

Peter


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Gerry
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posted 12-10-2000 06:43 PM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Welcome QM2,

I have a sneaking suspicion that you are the webmaster of said new website. The site is excellent, but I never saw a reference to Joe Farcus on it anywhere. If so I take it you have now corrected it.
Joe Farcus is an extremely talented designer and is very good at passenger flow around a ship. His designs have mellowed lately and I think Carnival Victory has beafutiful interiors. His involvement in the QM2 project was a quick look at the General Arrangement plan and verbal recommendations to some of the flow arrangements between the rooms. He is not involved in the interior design.


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QM2
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posted 12-12-2000 02:03 AM      Profile for QM2   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, I'm the webkeeper of the QM² site.

Unfortunately, in the abscence of factual information from Cunard, the vessel has generated what may well be unfounded media speculation, most of which is reported verbatim on the site.

Subsequent to the Farcus attribution, site feedback quickly confirmed that the ship's architect, Stephen Payne has stated that Tillberg design are undertaking the role of interior designers.

Enterprise & Art of Amsterdam have also confirmed their interest in the providing works of art for the new liner.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 12-12-2000 03:43 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Welcome aboard QM2 - great web site!

Please do keep us posted here at CruiseTalk of any new developments of this exciting project


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