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pungpui
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posted 05-12-2000 04:44 AM      Profile for pungpui     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've heard some rumours that some cruise companies will try and build faster ships. I dont know if its true but i heard it.

I think that should not be the case. What do you think?


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gohaze
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posted 05-12-2000 06:40 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi...speeds have been creeping up very slowly for quite a while. Better hull design and even the hull coatings underwater have helped, while using the same horsepower.Azipods are an improvement too, plus computor operation of manoeuvring also saves time berth to berth, which after all is the big criteria in the high intensity port-a-day cruises in the Carib. and Med.
The two new Royal Olympic ships do 27 kts for that reason...another port in a week....peter

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JDCasey
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posted 05-12-2000 08:56 AM      Profile for JDCasey   Email JDCasey   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speed opens new destinations from popular ports. Twenty years ago liners (as opposed to cruise ships)like the Home Line's, Oceanic and HAL's Rotterdam made weekly cruises to Bermuda and the Bahamas From New York. These ships were capable of 25+ Kts. The current crop ships can not do that. Cruise lines have two options, as I see it, either build bigger and bigger ships that are destinations themselves, or build faster ships that offer more and varied ports of call.
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Ascendancy
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posted 05-12-2000 09:17 AM      Profile for Ascendancy   Email Ascendancy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Have you ever sat up on the pool deck overlooking the ocean and wished the ship could go a little faster?
I haven't.

If the cruise lines want to have the capability to visit more ports, maybe, just maybe I can see it, but to me, the stops are secondary. Ship comfort and just being on the ocean is my primary concern.


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Barryboat
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posted 05-12-2000 11:30 AM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know some cruise lines have been experimenting with faster ships so they can visit more ports. There are some cruise passengers who are more "Port" intensive and would prefer to see more ports, or stay a little longer in each port. A faster ship would allow this.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-12-2000 01:53 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes and no! The days of ships charging across the Atlantic at up to 35 knots or more, is over. After all, if you are in a hurry you would fly…its cheaper too! The various fastferries, Seacats and Hovercraft are now at the leading edge of maritime speed.

However, you are right, many of the new build cruise ships, such as Millenium, will be able to achieve 24 knots, opposed to 18 or so, which used to be pretty common.

Ascendancy (maybe) represents one type of cruise passenger, who wants a relaxing vacation and the ports of call may be a secondary consideration? Some such passengers enjoy the luxuries of the ship and may not even disembark in the ports!

However, cruising is now also appealing to a more adventurous traveller. I choose a cruise because of the ports of call. I do not enjoy too many days at sea. Many cruise passengers are now looking for 'Soft Adventure' rather than to siting around the ships pool, drinking cocktails for a week.

On a final note, the cruise industry will always cater for a range of tastes. If you want to visit Caribbean palm trees on a mega-ship, cross the Atlantic on a traditional liner, or a have 'port per day' adventure - their will be an itinerary to satisfy you. After all, we are all different.

[This message has been edited by Malcolm (edited 06-26-2000).]


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K&K
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posted 05-12-2000 02:34 PM      Profile for K&K   Email K&K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well said Malcolm!
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-12-2000 05:28 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks K&K.

I forgot to mention the point that excursions are very lucrative for the cruise lines. The more ports, the more excursions that can be sold.


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Barryboat
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posted 05-13-2000 01:48 AM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Days at sea are now becoming more lucrative for the cruise lines because of Art auctions, the casino being opened, the shops on board recieve sales, more drinks are purchased, the spa services are used more, and the photo gallery is open for picture sales. There are so many income streams these days for cruise lines...I think they make more money during their sea days...what do you think??? Perhaps I should open a new thread???

By the way, on the Carnival Triumph, I noticed that the entrance and exit of the photo gallery had video cameras everywhere so people would be less likely to steal their own photos which are on display. I thought that was cleaver, but also it goes to show one type of cruise passenger that may be more prevelant aboard a Carnival Cruise. It's sad that the cruise line has to resort to these tactics, and seemingly treat their passengers like children.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 05-13-2000 04:30 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm..Barry, with some full day excusions costing several hundred dollars and passengers forego there lunch, I would have thought that the ports were more profitable than the sea days? But I could be wrong?

I remember being told on a tour of the QE2 that the Casino was the most profitable aspect of the ship. No wonder the Casinos are getting bigger. On the Mercury you could place a bet from your cabin using the interactive TV.

On the subject of photographs - I think people would be less inclined to steal them if they were more resonably priced. The sad thing is that if you don't buy them, they throw them away - which shows you how cheap they really are to produce. I would argue that many of the cruise lines are performing daylight robbery!

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posted 05-13-2000 09:23 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's hardly an Ocean liner, but a few days ago I saw the Stena HSS 'Discovery'Fastferry at Harwich (UK). It is the biggest of its type in the world! It is as big as a football pitch. It can carry 375 Cars and 1500 passengers, at 40 Knots. It is powered by four Jumbo Jet type engines! t travells to Holland in 3h 45mins. Another couple of identical ones operate between Hollyhead and Dun Laoghire (Dublin Port)and Belfast, Ireland.

The other speed machine is the Hovercraft.
The SRN 4 - the worlds biggest. The SRN4, which carries up to 60 cars and 418 passengers from Dover to Calais (France) every hour, at speeds of up to 65 Knots.

The 'Hoverport' is very near Dover Cruise Terminal, so if you are cruising from Dover you will probably see one of the twin SRN4's in action!

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-05-2000 04:08 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I now seem to be talking to myself on this topic, oh well they do say that it is the first sign of madness! Pungpui, here is an example of ships getting faster again:

P&O's new Oriana

Oriana (1995) was the first vessel specifically built for UK Cruising. The British cruising public have different preferences to their transatlanticcounterparts. For example, they preferred more smaller and intimate public rooms to those from North America.

The Canberra had been a very popular ship with the UK market and psychologically Oriana was built to slightly resemble her., so customers could transfer there allegiances with ease. For example: the white hull and superstructure, the inset of the lifeboats and the single funnel - fashioned to give an impression of a merged of two merged funnels, all gave a semblance of the Canberra.

Oriana has a service speed of 24 knots(rather than 18-20) allowing here to sail from Southampton and get to the Mediterranean (a popular destination for the UK market) and back with the traditional British 14 to 16 day holiday period.

(Edited text from the book 'Development and Growth of the Cruise Industry')


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-26-2000 03:20 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I will continue to talk to myself on this subject:

The World's fastest Cruise ship, since the QE2 (if she is a cruise ship?) has her maiden sailing in July 2000.

The Olympic Voyager (Royal Olympic Cruises) will have a top speed of 27 Knots. She looks like an attractive ship to my eye. This web site has an excellent feature and a much better picture of her in the 'Ship Profile' section, under Royal Olympic Cruises.

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joe at travelpage
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posted 06-26-2000 03:48 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a more recent photo of the Olympic Voyager and her sister Olympic Explorer.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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Vaccaro
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posted 06-26-2000 04:01 PM      Profile for Vaccaro   Author's Homepage   Email Vaccaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's a interesting picture Joe, thank you.
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RICHARD CHUDY
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posted 06-26-2000 05:24 PM      Profile for RICHARD CHUDY   Email RICHARD CHUDY   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe,
That's a nice picture....where did you get it from?
Richard

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