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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 06-10-2008 01:02 PM

Just purchased on e-bay an Holland America cruise catalogue 1970/1971. In those days HAL was the largest cruise organization. With more then 300 cruises from 3 to 89 days. 9 ships 3 lines Holland America Line, German Atlantic Line and Sun Line the last 2 represented by HAL. With quite an impressive fleet

tss Rotterdam
tss Nieuw Amsterdam
tss Statendam
tss Hamburg
tss Hanseatic
ms Stella Oceanis
ms Stella Solaris
ms Stella Maris 2
ms Stella

Most interesting is the Transatlantic shedual fore '70/'71. Studying the sailings i discover that German Atlantic also included Rotterdam. Strange that the HAL shedual stops in September well the last Trans Atlantic sailing departs in November that year with the Nieuw Amsterdam.

Cover.

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Transatlantic section.

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Greetings Ben.

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 06-10-2008 01:30 PM

I thought Costa (or the Soviets) had a larger operation but that could have meant Costa or Soviet owned passenger ships exclusively.

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Ernst
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posted 06-10-2008 02:09 PM

Concerning the number of ships Chandris and Epirotiki would also come to my mind.

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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 06-10-2008 02:52 PM

HAL, with only 3 ships, was no where near the largest and they were only serving as marketing and sales agents for GAL and Sun Line.

I believe the largest was indeed Costa or Chandris.

Tim

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NauticalCities
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posted 06-11-2008 06:12 PM

I feel lucky to have sailed on 2 of the 3 HAL ships listed in the brochure even though I was born 10 years after it was published.

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sympatico
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posted 06-11-2008 09:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by NauticalCities:
I feel lucky to have sailed on 2 of the 3 HAL ships listed in the brochure even though I was born 10 years after it was published.
[ 06-11-2008: Message edited by: NauticalCities ]

If I'm mistaken you couldn't possibly have sailed on 2 of the 3 HAL ships that Ben has listed if you were born say in 1980 or 1981.

The Nieuw Amsterdam II left the HAL fleet in 1973 and was replaced by the Nieuw Amsterdam III in 1983 so you couldn't have sailed on that ship.

The Statendam IV left HAL in about December 1981 and was replaced by the Statendam V in 1992. Did you sail on the Statendam IV when you were you a baby?

You could have sailed on the Rotterdam V (1957-1997), the Statendam V (1992 - ) or the Nieuw Amsterdam III (1983 - 2000)

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Ernst
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Member # 5369

posted 06-11-2008 09:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by sympatico:
[..]
The Statendam IV left HAL in about December 1981 and was replaced by the Statendam V in 1992. [...]

He did not say that he sailed with them while they were still with HAL.

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sympatico
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posted 06-11-2008 09:55 PM

Sorry, Ernst. I took it that he sailed when they were with HAL. That's probably why I was confused. I'll wait and see what he has to say.

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dougnewman
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posted 06-11-2008 10:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by NauticalCities:
I feel lucky to have sailed on 2 of the 3 HAL ships listed in the brochure even though I was born 10 years after it was published.

Lucky you... We were born in the same decade (albeit in the latter half for me) but I haven't been on either of them! (NIEUW AMSTERDAM would have been impossible for either of us, of course.) I don't think I've even ever seen seen the former STATENDAM. I have seen ROTTERDAM many times but not in a very, very long time. I am really looking forward to visiting her in Rotterdam assuming she gets there during my lifetime!

(What I would really like to do is stay on her before or after a cruise in the current ROTTERDAM, one of my favorite "new" ships... Not an entirely implausible scenario.)

In fact, thinking about it the oldest HAL ship (as an HAL ship or otherwise) I have been on is the current VEENDAM... Built 1996!

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 06-12-2008 03:45 AM

I could have sail al three of the ships I'm from November 1969 even in Trans Atlantic service. The big secret was that HAL officially stop with trans Atlantic service in September 1971 BUT after that still offers occasionally sailings between New York and Rotterdam vv until 1973/4. From the three only have seen the Rotterdam as Rembrandt when she made here Rotterdam call in 1998.

Some thoughts not saying I'm right or wrong

About the world largest cruise organization it said that only ORGANIZATION. They where the first who could offer complete holidays including air travel, hotel stay etc. They where linked with Sheraton Hotels, Pan Am and the Dutch KLM. Beside that they where agents fore Polish Ocean Lines. The Brochure never said the biggest Cruise Line. There are some books who mentioned it to.

But as largest it not have to be the number of ships in the fleet but the total amount of beds and with Costa and Epirotiki and Chandris often have smaller ships with less capacity.

Greetings Ben.

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dougnewman
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posted 06-12-2008 05:44 PM

I guess there are a lot of ways to measure the "world's largest cruise organization"... If HAL wrote it in a brochure it was probably true in one sense or another, but it depends on all kinds of semantics, not least, what exactly constitutes a cruise, since of the ships listed only the Sun Line ships were truly cruise ships at the time.

Chandris and Costa would certainly have been contenders, though of course like HAL at the time many of their ships were really not cruise ships. And since nobody said it had to be a private company, we have to take into account Morpasflot, which I would think must have been by far the biggest, just as Aeroflot was by far the biggest "airline" (even though it was far from an airline in the true sense of the word, as Aeroflot literally was all of Soviet civil aviation).

And in 1970-1971 Finmare still had a rather formidable passenger fleet as well, though I guess it must have still been rather smaller than Morpasflot.

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