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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-16-2013 04:13 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The USCG has released its official report on the November, 2010 fire aboard the Carnival Splendor and I am certain that no one at Carnival Corp or Fincantieri enjoyed reading it.

Some of the rather frightening items that were drawn out:

USCG Report (PDF)

Neither the bridge team nor the fire fighting teams had a meaningful grasp of the fire-fighting tactics needed fight this fire

The fire fighting teams had never actually drilled in the engine room

The OOD on the bridge at the time of the fire "reset" the alarm system which resulted in the "Hi Fog" suppression system not being activated until a full 14 minutes after the fire erupted.

It was not until 2 1/2 hours the fire erupted that the Captain ordered the use of CO2 and dry powder.

The engine room was ventilated far too soon afterwards which resulted in the fire flashing up again.

The emergency generator failed several times.

The severity of the fire caused cable-runs to burn through which eliminated any hope of restoring power from the forward engine room. It's worth noting that the "Hi Fog" system was located beneath these crucial cables and could have prevented this.

The fire was caused by a catastrophic fault in Diesel Generator 5 (DG5) in which it ejected a 780 lb crankshaft from the casing. It's worth noting that DG5 had been experiencing torsional vibration since July of that year.

The air cooler on DG5 was corroded to an almost degenerative state.

CO2 valves were installed backwards.

CO2 Valves were packed with inferior hemp packing which the USCG and surveyors had previously issued recommendations against. The hemp caused leaks and clogging which affected the system's ability to perform as required.

Carnival could not supply complete, or in some cases, ANY data on engine performance and faults.

I imagine both Carnival Corp and Fincantieri have a lot of work ahead of them to address and rectify the faults outlined which run the gamut from shoddy workmanship, incomplete documentation or lack of any at all, to faulty systems and only the most perfunctory of training.

I also imagine that the USCG along with the various flag-states and survey groups will be instituting stricter oversight of newbuilds and certification of class.

I've been in this industry a long time and that report shocked the heck out of me.

Tim

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Danpc5
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posted 07-16-2013 06:38 PM      Profile for Danpc5   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very complete article on Cruise Industry News regarding this: http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/9574-a-look-inside-the-splendor-fire-multitude-of-factors-.html
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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-16-2013 06:51 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
there is also a list of the responses by Carnival to various issues raised in the report:

http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/9577-carnival-responds-to-coast-guard-report.html

It will be interesting to see what further responses or specific proof of actions taken are provided going forward. Some of the responses were so vague and general as to be worrisome:

In response to crew training familiarity:

c. Our crew was familiar with the procedures for engine room fires. We have reviewed all of our procedures and have reinforced our training at
all levels for firefighting. We have modified our approach to deploying the CO2 system.

d. Our crew was familiar with the engine room layout and equipment and firefighting strategy and procedures. We have reviewed all of our
procedures and have reinforced our training at all levels for firefighting.

When the USCG detailed out in their report that the crew had never actually trained or drilled in the engine room(s) but only on the mooring deck or in marshaling areas, responses like the above raise my antennae.

Tim


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desirod7
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posted 07-16-2013 08:18 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Splendor, Miracle, Concordia; no innovative ships since Queen Mary 2.

Is Carnival turning into General Motors of the 1980s?

Lack of direction, too big, run by bean counters cashing in on the brand equity?


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Mattsudds
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posted 07-17-2013 03:06 AM      Profile for Mattsudds     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I too was shocked by the report. It does not inspire confidence in either build quality or operation of the vessels. What also shocks me is that the USCG didn't pick up some of this stuff before. Don't the drills and inspections check this stuff out?
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jetwet1
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posted 07-20-2013 08:32 PM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was wondering the same thing.

If you had told me that the fire fighting team had never trained in the engine room I would have laughed at you, that is just plain stupid, how could a company put a multi million dollar investment at risk like that ?


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Ernst
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posted 07-21-2013 06:28 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This report is of course embarrassing in many ways but I am not sure whether it's really that surprising.
Progress has been made during the past years but
unfortunately there is still quite a lot of room for improvement in the whole cruise industry - and that's finally not new at all.

quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Splendor, Miracle, Concordia; no innovative ships since Queen Mary 2.[...]

Well, there were quite a few new designs. Don't forget about Aida or Seabourn. I am not sure whether I would call these designs 'innovative', however, while QM2 might be unusual in some aspects she certainly isn't 'innovative' either.


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Globaliser
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posted 07-21-2013 09:13 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dreadful though the contents of the report are, to my mind there are still unanswered questions.

For example, given the importance of the Hi-Fog, why was the alarm panel reset, and reset twice, on the bridge? What flaws in knowledge, training and procedures prompted those actions? I would have expected this to have been investigated thoroughly, but the report gives no indication of any conclusions about that.

So how thorough a job of investigating this accident did the Coast Guard actually do?

And although there's a lot of good mood music about lessons learned, just when were they learned (if at all)? What will we find out about Carnival Triumph's superficially similar accident? Will "lessons learned" turn out to have been merely hollow words?

If Carnival's safety management is this shockingly awful, I'm surprised that they're actually allowed to continue to sail.


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LaLa
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posted 07-21-2013 12:26 PM      Profile for LaLa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Splendor, Miracle, Concordia; no innovative ships since Queen Mary 2.

Is Carnival turning into General Motors of the 1980s?

Lack of direction, too big, run by bean counters cashing in on the brand equity?


What happened to the Miracle??


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timb
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posted 07-22-2013 02:33 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
[QB
For example, given the importance of the Hi-Fog, why was the alarm panel reset, and reset twice, on the bridge? [/QB]

To have an officer reset this panel on the surface would seem to suggest there had been prior false alarms and the expected outcome was to reset it


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Globaliser
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posted 07-23-2013 09:55 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by timb:
To have an officer reset this panel on the surface would seem to suggest there had been prior false alarms and the expected outcome was to reset it

Obviously, that's plausible.

But the report doesn't say whether they looked at this question and whether this was in fact the answer, or whether it was something else that required rectification.

And even if this was the answer, the report doesn't say whether the investigation looked deeper into questions about why there had been false alarms and whether anything had been done to reduce the incidence of them.

And perhaps most pertinently, whether anything had been done in the safety management system to reduce the risk of the "boy crying wolf" syndrome - which, after all, is exactly the syndrome that would cause someone to reset the panel twice and thus disable the Hi-Fog system, even though on both occasions the alarm was genuine and demanded immediate action.

To my mind, this also raises questions about the 40 second delay which has now been eliminated. Was this a knee-jerk reaction that will in the long term do more harm than good? What was the purpose of the 40 second delay? Was it to allow for an attempt to report that a particular alarm is a false alarm so that the Hi-Fog can safely be disabled? If the cause of the false alarms has not been diagnosed and remedied, will this now result in the Hi-Fog being repeatedly triggered? Will it tempt people to do something else to circumvent this, possibly disabling some other protective system in the process?

All of these seem to me to be obvious questions to ask and obvious topics to investigate. Yet the report doesn't go into any of them. Which leads me to the question of just how good was this investigation, anyway?

We'll have to see whether any other horrors surface from the Carnival Triumph investigation.


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PamM
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posted 07-23-2013 07:24 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
...Which leads me to the question of just how good was this investigation, anyway?

I made the same remark to someone the other day. The report comments on the drill logs and states there was no detail with some entries other than that a drill was held. So how can they come to the conclusion that no drills were held in the engine room over a six month period prior to the fire and that the fire crew were unfamiliar with the engine room.

Carnival say the crews were familiar with the engine room, in which case if true, it is Carnival's fault having this stated as they should have logged the details properly. But such an investigation should get to the bottom of these things and not a your word against mine scenario.

The report itself is airy fairy, with 'it appears' and not fact. Certainly not as detailed and comprehensive as previous reports I have read; but then I am a layman in these things and not qualified to comment Perhaps fuller reports are produced for the people that matter.

Pam


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