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Frosty 4
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posted 08-02-2009 10:40 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see where a passenger was ejected from a RCL ship recently for passing out a flyer saying that the art auctions on board are a fraud and they sell fake art works.
I never thought much of these auctions as the same old art pieces in beat up frames etc. I do see people buy this stuff and my brother did purchase one or two pictures.
What are your thoughts on this or do you consider them like Gold by the Inch?
Frosty 4

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Jekyll
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posted 08-02-2009 10:47 AM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally, I consider it to be along the lines of "Inch of Gold". I cannot comment on the authenticity of the art; however, as one cruises as much as many of us and tours as many ships the same "limited edition" prints do seem to appear (granted a limited edition could be one of 1000 or 1 of 10 000); I am suspect of the whole operation.

Personally, I wouldn't buy any art from this unless I was really educated on what I was buying. I suspect they prey on the less educated who want those Picasso and Erte prints for a song.

If it seems to good to be true....(you fill in the rest).

If one is a serious collector of art, I would suggest dealing with the artist directly or a reputable dealer.


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oslo dutch
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posted 08-02-2009 11:58 AM      Profile for oslo dutch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There has been a discussion about this on another board. In general I find it a pain from what I observed it comes across as a pretty tacky and shady business. Especially when some cruiselines tend to clutter their corridors and lounges with this trash.

It's mainly run by a company called Park West and they are currently involved in a lot of law suits. These are cases where people found out they've been buying stuff and far too high prices and feel they've been informed incorrectly about the actual value of what they've purchased. Their trading seem to be based on trying to sell stuff to people who don't have a clue.

I've also read HAL will be stop these auctions in the foreseeable future let's hope the other cruiselines with follow suit, I will not miss it at all.

But it's kind of easy to avoid and ignore anyway.


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Cam J
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posted 08-02-2009 12:34 PM      Profile for Cam J   Email Cam J   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These art auctions are a joke. I have been to a couple of auctions and the auctioners are basically sales people and I think thats what turns me off.

I rember I went to one while cruising on the Carnival Legend in 07 and they like to pressure you into buying art. I remember I was off looking at some other art and I rejoined my wife (we were seprate) and the salesmen was bothering her so much she had to tell him to leave her the #!!#@!!! alone and we left. Some may say its overboard but you had to be there to understand.

I haven't been to an art auction at sea since.

Over and Out,
Cam J


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dmwnc1
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posted 08-02-2009 02:58 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I posted this yesterday in the Idle Chatter section:

Link to thread


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PamM
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posted 08-02-2009 04:02 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He was warned and "continued to be uncooperative and difficult"; his problem. Highly suspect that anyone would spend their vacation time searching Google and then printing flyers on the spot. He can only have gone with this intention imho. Seems he is known for others stances in his local area too; when searching Google Guess he won as he got the publicity.

Pam


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dougnewman
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posted 08-02-2009 04:23 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think most of the "art" is ugly and tacky-looking. I have no idea if it is overpriced or anything but I certainly would not buy it.

Mainly I just don't like the way it is often scattered all over the ship cluttering everything.

That said, going around passing out flyers telling people not to buy it is just obnoxious.

quote:
Originally posted by oslo dutch:
I've also read HAL will be stop these auctions in the foreseeable future let's hope the other cruiselines with follow suit, I will not miss it at all.
Brilliant, you make me want to get on the phone and book an HAL cruise right now.

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dmwnc1
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posted 08-02-2009 04:39 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dmwnc1:
I posted this yesterday in the Idle Chatter section:

Link to thread


Updated link to article:

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jetwet1
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posted 08-02-2009 06:17 PM      Profile for jetwet1   Author's Homepage   Email jetwet1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In general I would have to agree, however if you know what your looking for and happen to spot something AND can get it for the right price then it is worth a look, the majority of the time it is the auction people messing up and stating that something is slightly different than what it actually is.

On the CCL Legend I bought a hand painted Wyland for $1500 (Park West)and on the Sapphire (Princess in house) I got a Goddard for $950, in both cases I had them fill out the paperwork stating that I had bought a hand painted genuine painting, not a lithograph etc

Park West actually contacted me after I got home to try and figure out a way to back out of the deal, Princess sent me a touched up lithograph, 1/1000 even, after a few phone calls and one letter explaining that my next course of action would be to sue I got my painting.

My cases are probably rare, I would advice against biding on anything unless you go on board knowing what you want and what it's real value is.


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Frosty 4
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posted 08-02-2009 07:03 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So I guess that the general consensus id "Buyer Beware".
Maybe the cruise lines read what is said here but seeing they get a cut on the sales you probably won't see these auctions departure soon or not at all. They do take up a lot of space. With all the new gimmick ideas on ships these days maybe they can put these in instead of the auctions.
F4

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 08-02-2009 08:53 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
I think most of the "art" is ugly and tacky-looking.

..and it would look right at home in most passenger's homes


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Sutho
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posted 08-03-2009 03:09 AM      Profile for Sutho   Email Sutho   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whats in it for the cruise line if an outside company does the auctions.

There was a post on P&O's forum about this from art experts who consider the art acution sales onboard to be full of quote "crap", they went on to state that you dont even get what you are bidding for but a copy of it.

Its clear that some people by garbage at ridiculous prices whilst drunk on free champagne to get them off guard to buy.

My question is that if it is an outside company doing the business why dont the cruise lines just abolish the practice and use that valuable space taken up by this garbage for something more productive.


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Linerrich
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posted 08-03-2009 06:12 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sutho:
Whats in it for the cruise line if an outside company does the auctions.

My question is that if it is an outside company doing the business why dont the cruise lines just abolish the practice and use that valuable space taken up by this garbage for something more productive.


The cruise lines are obviously making a nice profit from these activities, especially when they are devoting even more space on the new ships for the art.

It's called a "concession" -- the art auction companies pay a fee to the cruise lines to run these activities, just like the casino concessions, gift shop concessions, spa concessions, photo concessions, etc. Some cruise lines may run some of these activities in-house, but it's easier and more profitable to have a specialist operation do it.

Rich


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