Cunard's liabilities are that many find it
stuffy, regimented, overly formal, and old fashioned. It's niche is the readers on
Cruise Talk and Liners List. Could they sustain a third ship?

A Mary twin would not pay the bills.

Would Cunard be better off with a 30k ton 'destination' ship based on
the R ship concept with better sea keeping?

Will Carnival spin off Cunard or sell to a private equity group? I doubt they would sell to a competitor

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Originally posted by desirod7:
Now that Lizzie will be retired, Cunard will be a 2 ship line again.

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Originally posted by Fairsky:
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Heaven forbid they name a Vista ship Queen Elizabeth 3.

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I find Cunard surprisingly un-stuffy. In fact I find them very ‘casual’ for much of the cruise. All you are required to do on a Cunard ship is dress reasonably smartly for the evening meals, if you choose the main dining rooms. You don’t even need a tux these days!

Queen Nevertiti (sic)
Queen Liberace
Queen Diana (they would spit blood)
Queen Ophra ? as in Winfrey ?
Queen Boudicea

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Originally posted by mike sa:
how about naming them after differnet Queens,

Queen Nevertiti (sic)
Queen Liberace
Queen Diana (they would spit blood)
Queen Ophra ? as in Winfrey ?
Queen Boudicea

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Queen Bloody Mary
Queen Mary Stuart
Queen Marie-Antoinette (these two last would be the "Beheaded class")
Queensrÿche
Queen of Saba
Queen Camilla
Dancing Queen
Queen Cécilia
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Seriously, I think Queen Elizabeth 3 would be the best name for a future Queen (An extended version of QM2). I would love to see as well a new class of 60-65000 grt "ia" ships which would compete with the Oceania new builts. They would be fast (more than 25knts), ocean liner like, low density ships (1100/1200pax).

But of course, I doubt Carnival will ever order such vessels, I'm not completely insane...

Because Cunard have the so called Ocean Liner QM2 which 90% of here time is cruising. Made theme not better the the other lines within CCl.

The difficulty's with Cunard is that they are over estimated by manny. Well there product is far from perfect.

I bet that they will soon announced an order fore a sister to QV.

If Cunard had any intention of using non-Queen names (Aquitania, Mauretania, etc.) they would have done that with QV. But they don't want to dilute the brand identity. The idea is to get people to equate Cunard with "Queen", and Queen = luxury, elegance, and ocean liners.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:
Why not a Grand, Vista, Destiny class fore Cunard. If they are good enough fore other Carnival company's then they are certainly good fore Cunard.

Because Cunard have the so called Ocean Liner QM2 which 90% of here time is cruising. Made theme not better the the other lines within CCl.

The difficulty's with Cunard is that they are over estimated by manny. Well there product is far from perfect.

I bet that they will soon announced an order fore a sister to QV.

Greetings Ben.

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Bennie, the Vista class has better sea keeping than the Grand or Destiny, and design specific for world cruising.

My issue was not Cunard using the Vista class hull and mechanicals, but not taking the concept further with terraced aft decks and a longer bow.

The interior is a misstep, as is the plastic palazzo and the 'in you face' class division. There are too many mass market elements here.

If they do a Queen Anne, Tillberg should do the interiors and take what they learned from Mary 2 and improve it.

Onno came up with some excellent concepts for a QV which had a unique appearance yet capitalizes on the proven Vista architecture.
http://www.onnoheesbeen.com/Vista.html

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Originally posted by Pascal:

Queen Mary Stuart

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The name in itself is ambiguous. Which one? Mary Queen of Scots or her great great grandaughter Mary II who ruled jointly with her husband Willaim III ?

While the "Beheaded Class" would indicate the former, the public might be more inclined to associate the name with the latter since she was Queen of England.

Brian

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The name Queen Victoria is OK. Queen Victoria at least has some basis in Cunard history. Also Victoria ends in 'ia'.

Also since Carnival are playing into Cunards history a lot it makes sence to me that they would want to use older names. There are famous Cunard names that even some non ship lovers know.

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Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
Most people don't even know who the current Queen is let alone past queens.

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We are well aware of who our Queen is, thank you. The fact that the people of one of our colony's may not be aware, is of little concern to us.

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Originally posted by desirod7:

If they do a Queen Anne, Tillberg should do the interiors and take what they learned from Mary 2 and improve it.

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I'm quite amazed that QV's interiors are being designed and managed by a Princess team, yet Gerry and the QM2 team are not involved at all after doing such a wonderful job. It would have added an element of continuity between the two ships.

That's because HRM Queen Elizabeth II has only been the monarch for 55 years and 134 days (so far). Give her a little more time on the throne to allow the slow-witted time to adjust to the change.

The name Queen Victoria is OK. Queen Victoria at least has some basis in Cunard history.

How so? No other Cunard ship has been named after her.

Also since Carnival are playing into Cunards history a lot it makes sence to me that they would want to use older names. There are famous Cunard names that even some non ship lovers know.

They used Caronia. So why wouldn't they use those names again.

But why use the same old boring names over and over ad nauseum. Time for a change. Let's have a Queen Anne and then a Queen Jane. (So what if Jane was Queen for only 9 days). It's high time these ladies got their due.

Brian

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