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Frosty 4
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posted 04-05-2007 01:58 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jamaica Radio-reports that cruise ships have defaulted on paying their debt to the country's Tourism Enhancement Fund. A Tourism Enhancement fee was levied, beginning in 2004, as a source of funding for the ten-year tourism master plan. But cruise ships have ignored the bills they have received. Opposition Spokesperson on Tourism asked the Tourism Minister about the attitude of cruise lines about paying the fee. The Tourism Minister responded, "The cruise line cannot say to a government they are not going to pay." It isn't like the industry can't afford the fee, and this is in stark contrast to industry claims that they support development and economic well-being of the Caribbean ports they visit.--from Events at Sea site.

Other than Dunn's river falls, I found this island too hot and humid. Forget about it!!
Do other islands charge a fee for tourism??- seems stupid as tourism brings revenue to any island. I'm sure there may be some port/docking fees already.

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6263866
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posted 04-05-2007 02:04 PM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's ridiculous, just like the 50$ imposed for Alaska, these islands and ports are getting rich from cruise ships, the lines aren't going to pay this fee, but we cruisers will.
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Frosty 4
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posted 04-05-2007 02:15 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's like the fee that Chile charges,US,Canadian,and Mexican tourists who enter the country. They get you right at the airport(Santiago) $100 for US. Good for the life of your passport if you need to return there.
Frosty 4

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PamM
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posted 04-05-2007 03:52 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Frosty you are likely to be charged these fees at many airports the world over, just you do not see them listed separately. Much airport development only takes place due to fees being passed to all passengers.

One example is that $millions in fees were charged to LAX passengers to build a new terminal at Ontario [California].
Then there is the UK pax duty.. don't ask!

Pam


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Linerrich
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posted 04-05-2007 05:37 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We Americans aren't usually aware of it, but I believe visitors to the US from many, if not most countries, must obtain a visa, which often costs USD $100.00.

Perhaps some of our International friends can fill us in on the cost of entering this country!

Rich

[ 04-05-2007: Message edited by: Linerrich ]


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-05-2007 06:19 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

One example is that $millions in fees were charged to LAX passengers to build a new terminal at Ontario [California].
Then there is the UK pax duty.. don't ask!

Pam


I recall hearing years ago that as long as there is construction at LAX (or other area airports), the airport commision can impose these fees (along w/the other fees). Guess what, there is always some sort of construction big and small going on at the airport(s). What gets me is w/all that constant work going on it still looks a little tired in some places but the flowers and grass are always perfect!


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mike sa
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posted 04-06-2007 10:25 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The one that always got me are those countries that charge a "departure tax" as you leave - what do they do when you refuse ? Keep you there ? Make you stay on the ship ? Extended cruise ? Heh Bora Bora please introduce forthwith.
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Frosty 4
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posted 04-06-2007 10:28 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know Vancouver,BC does charge an airport use tax. (Alaska cruisers-FYI)They get you before you can go to the gates on your return flight.
You need a visa for China and your passport can not be less than one year before it expires to get the visa.-$100.
It's good to know this before hand .
I just checked the invoice for our upcoming Australia/NZ cruise.1/08-- GET THIS: $ 855.74 for port tax and fees---OUCH!!!
Frosty 4

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sympatico
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posted 04-06-2007 12:01 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Frosty 4:
I know Vancouver,BC does charge an airport use tax. (Alaska cruisers-FYI)They get you before you can go to the gates on your return flight.


Vancouver has been charging a departure tax for many years. I believe in the beginning it was to help pay for the new airport they were building & I guess it was so successful that they have just continued to charge each passenger. Even using points for airline flights, we are still charged departure taxes no matter where we are flying to.

Jamaica may now be going after the cruise lines that still dock there, because they have probably lost a money from the various lines who no longer visit the island. On checking HAL's schedule for 2007 there are no ships visiting Jamaica and in 2008, the Veendam will only stop in MoBay twice and the could change. IMO - it's too dangerous there and the last couple of times we were in Jamaica, I didn't get off the ship.


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Jekyll
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posted 04-06-2007 12:33 PM      Profile for Jekyll   Email Jekyll   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With respect to the Vancouver airport tax (Airport Imporvement Fee) - while it is still charged - you pay it at the time you purchase your air ticket - it is included in the price of the ticket - you DO NOT pay at the airport anymore.

Also, you might notice that hotels are also adding on a Destination Marketing Tax to you room rates on many properties in Canada...but once again we have to pay for THEM to attract us to a property/ city - where we already are. While I don't per se if I was there on vacation when you get charged it because you HAVE to go on business - it seems more unfair


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BigUFan
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posted 04-06-2007 09:11 PM      Profile for BigUFan   Author's Homepage   Email BigUFan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is probably very common. For example, here in Orlando, the tourism tax has gone up to 12%. Yes, 12%! Still want to come see Mickey? Please do. It helps keep our rapidly rising property taxes from rising any faster.
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posted 04-07-2007 09:32 PM      Profile for mrblanche   Email mrblanche   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The $50 per passenger fee from Miami was, I think, a factor in ships moving to other ports.
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Globaliser
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posted 04-08-2007 07:27 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
Perhaps some of our International friends can fill us in on the cost of entering this country!
Most visitors from the UK are entitled to go to the US without a visa, although opting to do so does put one entirely at the mercy of the immigration inspectors on duty on the day as to whether they find a reason for denying you entry and returning you to the UK with no right of appeal (part of the visa waiver scheme is that you are specifically denied a right of appeal).

If, for some reason, you need a non-immigrant visa (eg to study), then the procedure is as follows:-

  1. Phone a premium rate number to book an appointment (compulsory), for which you will be charged £1.20 (about USD 2.35) per minute. I haven't tried this, but anecdotes suggest that the call will take between 10 and 20 minutes to complete.
  2. Pay a USD 100 visa fee by credit or debit card, whilst on the phone, without which the appointment will not be booked.
  3. Arrive at the Embassy and queue outside, even in inclement weather.
If you are successful and you are granted a visa, the US Embassy is very specific about what this means:-
quote:
A visa entitles the holder to travel to the United States and apply for admission; it does not guarantee entry. An immigration inspector at the port of entry determines the visa holder's eligibility for admission into the United States.
So travel remains at your own risk, although you then have appeal rights.

There are now a number of interesting quirks in US visa requirements. For example, except for unusual cases, you must apply for a visa in the country of your nationality. This means that, for example, many South Africans who are long-term residents of the UK must travel to Cape Town, Durban or Johannesburg in order to apply for a US visa.

It can hardly come as any surprise to find out that many people find other places to travel to instead.


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posted 04-08-2007 07:31 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 6263866:
... these islands and ports are getting rich from cruise ships ...
Cruise passengers really like to think this. And they do spend money in the ports. But what they don't see is the hidden costs to the communities of supporting the tourism industry.

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posted 04-08-2007 01:43 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
So travel remains at your own risk, although you then have appeal rights.


Travel to other countries is a privilege and not a right.

If these minor restrictions were not in place here we would be more overwhelmed w/people overstaying their visas and simply disapearing into society.


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posted 04-08-2007 02:42 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Many are going elsewhere from Europe. US tourism is down nearly 20% since 2001, ie 60m travellers over 5 yrs [Discover America figures] and the Travel Industry Association is more than a little worried - See Travelmole. They cite the travel hassles as the problem.

The overall process is more than a little tiresome and that queue is endless, you even have to join it when you have an appointment time. People just can't be bothered; whilst there are areas where just a passport or a simple post off for visa is required, they'll take that option.

Pam


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posted 04-08-2007 02:59 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Many are going elsewhere from Europe. US tourism is down nearly 20% since 2001, ie 60m travellers over 5 yrs and the Travel Industry Association is more than a little worried...

I don't think travel hassle is entirely to blame. The 'war' must be responsible for some of America's lack popularity as a destination.

I have Friends who will not go to the USA because they do not like the idea of providing finger prints at emigration - it's not as if they are criminals, either.

[ 04-08-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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posted 04-08-2007 11:47 PM      Profile for 6263866   Email 6263866   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cruise passengers really like to think this. And they do spend money in the ports. But what they don't see is the hidden costs to the communities of supporting the tourism industry.
quote:



And I have seen the benefits, well spent money like in St Thomas, where if you have been, you wil have seen the edge-of the cliff roads, and narrow road, but are paved, and a safety barrier instaled, thanks to funds provided by tourism.

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I don't know if US tourism is still down 20% since 9/11 as I have read several travel reports that the numbers are back up to pre 9/11 levels.
US carriers are flying w/record loads but of course the actual number of planes operating is slightly lower than 6 years ago.

We were in Mexico at the end of January and the flights were oversold both ways as were the flights last week to and from Vegas-packed w/tourists from all over the World.

I have British friends who live in L.A. and NYC who travel to London one or two times per month and don't seem to have problems coming and going. It must be the luck of the draw.


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With the weak dollar foreign tourism in US should be booming.
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quote:
Originally posted by cruisemole:
With the weak dollar foreign tourism in US should be booming.

The prices of US cruises and other 'package' vacations to America, do not seem any cheaper for us Brits than they did when the exchange rate was worse! Although they probably don't cost any more, either - so effectively that equal's cheaper.


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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
[QB]

The prices of US cruises and other 'package' vacations to America, do not seem any cheaper for us Brits than they did when the exchange rate was worse! QB]


Sounds like 'Rip off Britain' again! I just don't get it but there must be strong forces in play to keep the prices extremely high.


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quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Travel to other countries is a privilege and not a right.

If these minor restrictions were not in place here we would be more overwhelmed w/people overstaying their visas and simply disapearing into society.


Minor restrictions, yes. But what the US has put in place is a great deal worse than any comparable Western nation's restrictions - even for those of us who are admissible to the US without a visa.

So what is it about the US that makes it so special? Is it truly the land of milk and honey? Is it really the place that tourists will come to, no matter what the hassle and expense? I don't think so. Many people just won't bother.

quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
I don't know if US tourism is still down 20% since 9/11 as I have read several travel reports that the numbers are back up to pre 9/11 levels.
quote:
Originally posted by cruisemole:
With the weak dollar foreign tourism in US should be booming.
There's something in the numbers for everyone. They allow people in the US to say: "Look, things have almost got back to normal."

But the truth of the matter is that the restrictions put in place by the US have meant that the US has missed out on the huge worldwide travel boom that has taken place since 2001. There might be perhaps 20%-40% more visitors to the US than there are now, if it weren't for the fact that so many people are put off by the hassle.

Travel to the US is not booming, despite the exchange rate, and that is the tragedy of it for the US tourism industry. It is no wonder that the US tourism industry is crying out for some help and relief.

This rot goes deep. The starkest recent example was Air New Zealand's latest new route. For decades, it has served Auckland-London via Los Angeles. As far as I know, it is now the only airline whose passengers are allowed to direct airside transit at a US airport when continuing on to an international destination. (As is well known, everyone else must clear US immigration, collect their bags, and clear customs - even if all they want to do is to get out of the transit point and away from the US as fast as they can.)

But the airline has nevertheless lost so many transit passengers on that route, specifically because of the hassle of transiting LAX, that they have now found it possible to launch an Auckland-Hong Kong-London route to try to recapture them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

I have Friends who will not go to the USA because they do not like the idea of providing finger prints at emigration - it's not as if they are criminals, either.

[ 04-08-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


Do you think the criminals stay away, or tell immigration that they're criminals?

The fingerprinting has caught thousands of convicted and expelled criminals trying to get back in. Maybe one of them was one of your friends? Probably not, of course, but laws are, after all, written for the few who don't obey laws in general.


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mrblanche it is not the fingerprinting people object to, it is the fact they do not trust quite what the US authorities are doing with them and how secure these are. There is always a bad apple ..

Pam


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