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Frosty 4
First Class Passenger
Member # 5826

posted 02-28-2007 10:52 AM

Is anyone here a stockholder with any cruise line? I have been thinking about becoming a shareholder,possibly RCI. The market seems to have it's ups and downs,so I would if this is a good investment? With the cruise industry growing at least with their new builds and cruising in general on the upswing,I wonder???
Frosty 4

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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
First Class Passenger
Member # 5641

posted 02-28-2007 11:55 AM

Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES

I was a P&O shareholder while they were on their own.

The shares were changed to Carnival when P&O and Princess Cruises joined their group.

Neil ( Bob )

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joe at travelpage
Administrator
Member # 622

posted 02-28-2007 12:06 PM

Here's a comparison of Carnival and RCL over the past 5 years:

It looks like they both doubled since then.

Joe at TravelPage.com

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barpal
First Class Passenger
Member # 1144

posted 02-28-2007 02:31 PM

My wife and I were on the Prinsendam in Oct/Nov and some one asked the Captain about discounts if they were stockholders. The Captain wasn't sure but one of passengers said if you owned 100 shares of stock you could get a discount on the cruise. This may be worth more than the upside value of the stock.

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 03-01-2007 01:39 AM

I hold stock in both RCI & Carnival - both in the US and Carnival UK(old P&O shares), they have increased in value more than 5 fold since I bought them a long time ago, they are like all shares, they have gone up and down but over an extended period they will generally increase, over a short period you may not get much benefit - that said if I had bought another property over the same period of time I would have made more !

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 03-01-2007 04:33 AM

How's NCL stock doing?

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Pascal
First Class Passenger
Member # 5510

posted 03-01-2007 04:39 AM

It's amazing how RCI and Carnival Corp stock evolutions are similar.

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 03-01-2007 10:18 AM

NCL is not publically traded, however if it were it would be very much in the red.

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Frosty 4
First Class Passenger
Member # 5826

posted 03-01-2007 11:06 AM

Maybe now is the time to jump in. RCI is down today - $1.25 and under $40/share. The market is in a down turn,once it stabilizes that's when I think I might go for a couple hundred shares of RCI.
F4

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joe at travelpage
Administrator
Member # 622

posted 03-01-2007 11:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
NCL is not publically traded, however if it were it would be very much in the red.

While NCL is not a public company, their parent company Star Cruises is traded on the HK exchange. Here's a graph showing Star vs Carnival Corp over the past 5 years. Star is in blue:

Joe at TravelPage.com

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 03-01-2007 02:43 PM

I have been eyeing Carnival and RCI's stock. Which company is best to pick up now?

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Frosty 4
First Class Passenger
Member # 5826

posted 03-01-2007 04:01 PM

http://moneycentral.msn.com/msn/stock_quote?Symbol=rcl

You can get a daily update plus check it's performance.
frosty 4

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 03-02-2007 12:29 AM

Choosing between RCI and difficult one as there is little difference between the 2, however market raters would rate Carnival as being the "safer" of the 2, RCI have in the past ballsed it up a couple of times, Carnival is I suppossed beter spread globally thus protecting it from downturn in just one specific area and allowing it to take advantage more easily of new markets etc. They also have a lower gearing (debt to income/value) and a better credit rating, for instance in Carnival wanted to they can literally buy a new ship cash, RCI would struggle, starnge as it may seem Carnival tends to have a more conservative strategy and stay long term, for instance Costa goes to China in a small way, it doesn't work 100% but they will stay and learn how and make it work small, then move new tonnage in once they know how, RCI tried before and it didn't work but they simply pulled out, now they stick a large ship there and will sell it to Americans as well as local market so they are not really testing and developing the market, if it doesn't really work for them they tend to pull the plug, long term Carnival strategy works. Same with the ships, they both have differing strategies, RCI builds big and fast , we all know that if Carnival wanted to they could build Project Pinnacle bigger tomorrow morning, they however are more cautious, no doubt we will see it one day but it will be when they believe the market is right for it long term and they think they need it.

So you takes your pick and takes your risk.

One note though - Mickys Dad invented Carinival, the family still owns huge amounts of stick in the company, they are still there and will stay there, RCI does not have the same type of advantage.

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NWLB
First Class Passenger
Member # 1987

posted 03-02-2007 01:06 PM

I don’t think the current bump in the road among the stock markets is anything to buy on. I would look more at the 52 week cycle, see where the U.S. economy does go as we approach summer and fall. If things are headed towards a hard landing, those stocks will decline more. I think the management differences between the two companies has much less to do with their respective values than some may think. I think it is a more basic issue of market share and exposure to the down side of things, should the market have issues.

As for ships and such, I think RCI is learning quickly as to how to adjust to going into new markets. RCI ships might be built large and fast, but as a New Market line, you can also note that Carnivals fleet has a lot of older, smaller ships. Many of these are far from what the majority of the New Market expects. Carnival’s slow adoption of features and innovative ship designs could cost it dearly in the long-term. Or Carnival might flush its old tonnage to low-rent markets, or start a discount brand. Who knows. As noted, they have cash, they can replace ships at will, but that takes time.

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JP
First Class Passenger
Member # 1373

posted 03-02-2007 01:07 PM

RCL Shareholder Credit

CCL Shareholder Credit

Note that the RCL offer is combinable with other shipboard credit offers, but the CCL offer is not.

[ 03-02-2007: Message edited by: JP ]

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bearbuns
First Class Passenger
Member # 6418

posted 03-02-2007 10:32 PM

We have stock in both companies and have had for awhile. I have Carnival stock and my husband has RCI. In Dec I used my onboard credits on the QM2 and will do so again on her this fall. Don't ever expect to use the RCI credits as we will only sail on Cunard. There was no problem applying for the credits and they were on my onboard account when we boarded.
Cheers, Penny

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