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cerovis
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posted 07-31-2006 11:04 AM      Profile for cerovis   Email cerovis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi,
I am doing some early planning for my first cruise vacation with my wife for Apr or May 2007. We plan to do a Mediterranea cruise with the following initial ideas in mind:

Ports: Venice (departure), Athens (or less preferably other Greek ports), Florence/Pisa, Rome
Duration: less than 10 nights
Budget: on the economical side

However after doing some info search on web it seems it’s difficult to find a cruise itinerary of my wish… have I missed anything or am I too demanding? It’s nice if experts here can help.

Billion thanks.


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Linerrich
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posted 07-31-2006 11:07 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can do a cruise from Venice to Greek ports and return in a week, but you cannot go around to the other side of Italy and do Civitavecchia and Livorno in that time-frame.

You will need to either look for a longer cruise, or limit your wish-list of ports visited.

Rich


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PamM
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posted 07-31-2006 11:17 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem is you are trying to encompass both Eastern and Western Mediterranean itineraries at once. It is a long way around Italy to call at both Venice & Livorno [for Florence/Pisa] and I don't know of any itin that includes those 2 ports. There are a number of vessels which cover the rest; Oceania do some nice itins [assuming no children], but cheaper would be Costa.

I would try and compromise with a 7 night cruise from Venice with a 3 night pre or post cruise in Florence, as coming the distance you are, you will want to see everything there, which is just not possible from a ship in one day.

Pam


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Johan
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posted 07-31-2006 11:57 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Next year may "Carnival Freedom" cruises around Italy : Rome/Venice/Dubrovnik/Sicily/Spain/France/Livorno/Rome
but it takes 12 days.

Cruises around Italy are rare.

J


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posted 07-31-2006 01:29 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, as Pam said 7 night cruise would be a good introduction and a reasonable price. You could combine it with a few nights in a city such as Barcolona.

Now you need to find out which ship/line suits your prefered style (big/small ship, old/newer, part/tradition) and budget. There is of course also a question of which nationality of ship.

Check out our 'Readers Reviews', menu left.

[ 07-31-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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posted 07-31-2006 03:23 PM      Profile for Sailor   Email Sailor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One of your difficulties to find a cruise with your ports of call is the timing. In April many Cruise lines are still in the Caribiean.....the transfer to Europe for both European and US-Cruise is in the region of end of April to beg. of June.

There are some combinations but normally these are also "transfer" cruises....some possible cruises:
- Oceania Cruises : Insignia Barcelona - Athens
- Costa Mediternanea May 2nd. 6-day Savona to Venice
- Costa Victoria Rome-Rome incl. Greek Islands.

If you "must" travel in April/May then you have a larger choice if you make a decision between Eastern (Venice as departure) or Western-Med (departure Genua/Savona).

It also depends what your interests are: If it is Ancient History my experience is that the Eastern-Med has more to offer with Naples (Pompeei), Rome, Livorno (Pisa) than the Western Med.

If you can wait until June then take a look at the Norwegian Jewel leaving Barcelona - we did this recently and it is a full-packed ancient heritage cruise....and a very good ship too.

If you can even wait longer until September then the same ship has a 10-11 day transfer cruise from Barcelona to Athens....where many of your "wish" ports are included


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posted 07-31-2006 03:44 PM      Profile for Sailor   Email Sailor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It also depends what your interests are: If it is Ancient History my experience is that the Eastern-Med has more to offer with Naples (Pompeei), Rome, Livorno (Pisa) than the Western Med.

Oops...

...it`s the other way round, the Western Med with Naples, Rome, Livorno has more to offer than the Eastern Med ....


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posted 07-31-2006 03:45 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It should be pointed out that if you are interested in seeing Rome and Florence a cruise is one of the least attractive options to do that. The ports for these cities - Civitavecchia and Livorno - are pretty far away. So you loose quite some time getting there and going back to the ship - beside that these cities deserve more time or are worth a longer stay than just some hours - maybe you should consider doing a trip to Italy at another time or before or after your cruise.

Pompeij is certainly one of the major archeological sites - it is BTW in the "Western Mediterranean" - obvioulsy a typo) - I nevertheless hefty disagree that the "Western Mediterranean" has more ancient sites. The major cruise ship destinations like Athens, Istanbul, Kusadasi, Delos, Crete, Rhodos, and also Israel and Egypt certainly offer quite a lot in this respect.

There are of course itineraries covering 'the whole' Mediterranean - but on these cruises Venice is not so often included. There are of course some - but generally it will be difficult to do that within your time frame - not to talk about staying on the economical side.


Suggestion:

Fly to Rome - stay there (some days) - go by train to Florence - stay there (some days) - go by train to Venice - do a not too expensive, nice seven day Eastern Med. cruise - it is probably cheaper to back to Rome by train and fly home from there (making it a roundtrip ticket) - there are nice, fast trains which do that within only some hours (your bus rides from Livorno or Civitavecchia are nearly as long) - you can of course also do Rome before and Florence after the cruise from Venice. (or the other way around )

This might be the best compromise for you - and you can do that without too much stress within 14 days - and it's probably also not too expensive and certainly more reasonable than a phony compromise itierary trying to do 'all' the Mediterranean at once.

[ 07-31-2006: Message edited by: Ernst ]


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posted 08-01-2006 04:49 AM      Profile for Sailor   Email Sailor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It should be pointed out that if you are interested in seeing Rome and Florence a cruise is one of the least attractive options to do that. The ports for these cities - Civitavecchia and Livorno - are pretty far away.

Ernst,
You are not wrong however the ports for the other "eastern" destinations you mentioned like Crete, Athens are also far away...if not further from all the ancient sites.....I know of no "ancient" destination except Rhodes where the ship stops next to the "fun"....you always have to calculate at least one hour transfer wherever you go.

Egypt is even worse....if you want to visit Cairo then calculate at least 2 hrs each way.

Therefore the question is what are his interests and how detailed does he want to visit these cities. If he wants to combine a cruise with a "I was in Rome" thing then a cruise has its benifits especially if you are not used to travelling in Europe as everything incl. land excursions are "arranged" for you.

If he however is more interested in the "Cities" than the "Cruise" then I agree a cruise is the wrong thing for that....you can spend a whole week in Rome and still not see all.


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posted 08-01-2006 06:00 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ephesus 30mins, Pompeii 30 mins, Carthage <20 mins.. there are quite a few nearby, but Florence is a long way especially when combined with Pisa, and Rome takes a long time because of the traffic and crowds everywhere, and there is so much more to see in both Florence and Rome, than nearly all the other "Ancient" sites put together. I have never been to either R or FL from a ship, purely because I could get there cheaper from here to stay longer.. but yes if the OP just wants to be able to say 'been there, done that' with a brief look around then it's fine. For anything more a stay is required.

Pam


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PamM
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posted 08-01-2006 06:19 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Venice is somewhat on one's doorstep too under it even as you sail by.

Pam


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Ernst
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posted 08-01-2006 07:56 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sailor:

Ernst,
You are not wrong however the ports for the other "eastern" destinations you mentioned like Crete, Athens are also far away...if not further from all the ancient sites.....I know of no "ancient" destination except Rhodes where the ship stops next to the "fun"....you always have to calculate at least one hour transfer wherever you go.

Egypt is even worse....if you want to visit Cairo then calculate at least 2 hrs each way.

Therefore the question is what are his interests and how detailed does he want to visit these cities. If he wants to combine a cruise with a "I was in Rome" thing then a cruise has its benifits especially if you are not used to travelling in Europe as everything incl. land excursions are "arranged" for you.

If he however is more interested in the "Cities" than the "Cruise" then I agree a cruise is the wrong thing for that....you can spend a whole week in Rome and still not see all.


You are right - 'Egypt' is even more ridiculouse. (I mentioned it only concerning the stated lack of ancient sites in the Eastern Med.) Nevertheless, e.g. Knossos is not that far away from Heraklion - but even with a one hour bus ride it makes more sense to go there and you see more of Knossos on one day that of Rome. (in Rhodos the city is nearby but not so much the ancient sites)

I would nevertheless stay with my suggestion to do Rome/Florence before or after the cruise - it is really EASY to do that.


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cerovis
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posted 08-01-2006 10:36 AM      Profile for cerovis   Email cerovis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
thanks all for your advice... yes i am the "i am in Rome" type but i probably need to trim a couple of ports. And the fact is the travel agents in my area in Asia are not really interested and familar in cruise stuffs, so mostly i need to rely on web resources to do my info search.
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quote:
Originally posted by cerovis:
...so mostly i need to rely on web resources to do my info search.

The Royal Caribbean web site is one of the better mass-market ones. You can even book the cruise via the site if your local TA's are not interested.

You could book cruise only and use a site like Expedia to book flights and pre or post hotel.

[ 08-01-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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