http://www.local10.com/news/9222155/detail.html

Is there a line where they have never lost a passenger?

for example I always go with P&O and Princess - I am curious now if they have ever lost anyone.

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Originally posted by Sutho:

.....for example I always go with P&O and Princess - I am curious now if they have ever lost anyone.

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I am 5'7 (173cm)tall weigh 90kg (14stone) and am of athletic build and very fit. With my size I would have to put some effort in to make it over those guard rails alone. When people are drunk and coordination is lacking tasks like making it over guard rails is harder.

I am not saying it is impossible, all I am saying that it requires a bit of effort and that it cannot happen accidentally.

You could probably throw someone over no problem.

Video shows that passenger did indeed fall overboard.

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Originally posted by Atlcruiser:
Video shows that passenger did indeed fall overboard.Gordon

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...with a little help...

They found that DiPiero and his friends concealed liquor in mouthwash bottles and brought a bottle of rum in their luggage. The friends videotaped themselves drinking the alcohol Sunday afternoon, and DiPiero continued drinking until midnight, investigators said.

Even if he fell off it was still recklessness and irresponsibility on his part. It may sound harsh but he has no one to blame but himself. Cruise lines safely design these guard rails and in most cases there is standing room on the other side of the guard rail.

If someone is going to clown around and act stupid and tempt fate then of course they will fall off. It may be an accident but cruise lines should not be held accountable.

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Originally posted by dmwnc1:

...with a little help...

They found that DiPiero and his friends concealed liquor in mouthwash bottles and brought a bottle of rum in their luggage. The friends videotaped themselves drinking the alcohol Sunday afternoon, and DiPiero continued drinking until midnight, investigators said.

I hope they (the TV media) include this fact in their reporting TOO.

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Here are more details about the events leading up to him falling overboard. By the way, apparently the family has already viewed the video and have acknowledged that he is dead:

http://www.local10.com/news/9234629/detail.html

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Originally posted by Sutho:
The point I made is that it is impossible for it to be just an accident as the guard rails are safe enough.

Even if he fell off it was still recklessness and irresponsibility on his part. It may sound harsh but he has no one to blame but himself. Cruise lines safely design these guard rails and in most cases there is standing room on the other side of the guard rail.

If someone is going to clown around and act stupid and tempt fate then of course they will fall off. It may be an accident but cruise lines should not be held accountable.

I do not beleive that RCCL is to blame at all in this matter.

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Originally posted by Sutho:
What about the more up market lines have there been any reports of missing passengers from them or is it just mass market cruising where you pay under $100 per night?

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All cruise lines have probably lost some people. A combination of excessive drink, youth and being 'male' are normally key factors. It is more common on ‘Party Ships’ such as Carnival.

However, Cunard's QE2 has lost a number of people over the years. The QM2 also lost a passenger. Although Cunard do get a better ‘class’ of man overboard.

In at least several cases, Cunard passengers choose the Queens to commit suicide from. One guys left a note in his cabin, I recall.

[ 05-20-2006: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]

How were RCI supposed to view 12 hours of tape x however many cameras there are, any quicker? There would have been less footage to view if he had been reported missing earlier.

I wonder what the actual footage of him going over shows? was he being ill over the edge? or did he purposely climb up and jump? no doubt we will never find out.

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Originally posted by PamM:

I wonder what the actual footage of him going over shows? was he being ill over the edge? or did he purposely climb up and jump? no doubt we will never find out.

Pam

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Local news reports here that he had been sitting out on deck for nearly 2 hours, periodically leaning over the rail, apparently vomiting. It was during one of these episodes that he tumbled over the side.

If I am ever going to be sick on a cruise ship there is no way I would do it over the side. If I had to throw up and couldnt make it to a bathroom I would do it on the deck. It may seem dirty but the stewards will clean it up and it is better than risking your life trying to lean over a guard rail that is set back from the ships edge to begin with.

Only time I have ever been sick on a cruise ship was on Oriana with Norovirus. When you have got to go you go. As an ex Naval sailor we were taught never to be sick over the side as it risks your life and dirties the side of the ship that cant be cleaned until you are in port. At least on the deck you are safe and it can be cleaned up.

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Linerrich wrote:
Local news reports here that he had been sitting out on deck for nearly 2 hours, periodically leaning over the rail, apparently vomiting. It was during one of these episodes that he tumbled over the side.

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Did they actually get this on video? Maybe someone from the ship should have gone to his assistance seeing that he wasn't well, and this is regardless of whether he was drunk or ill from something else.

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