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Oceania in `advanced' talks for a fourth R ship 22/11/2005
Oceania Cruises is in `advanced negotiations' to acquire a fourth sister ship, president and ceo Frank Del Rio announced at today's naming ceremony for Nautica in Istanbul. Del Rio said the vessel will be called Marina, `and, if all goes according to plan, it will be named in Hong Kong on Saturday, July 7, 2007.' Del Rio did not elaborate further but, as suggested by his use of the word `sister' to describe the acquisition, the company is pursuing another R-class vessel, Seatrade Insider has confirmed. Oceania's fleet currently consists of the former R One, R Two and R Five. R Three and Four are sailing as Pacific Princess and Tahitian Princess for Princess Cruises. R Six is owned outright by Pullmantur. R Seven is Delphin of Delphin Renaissance. R Eight is Swan Hellenic's Minerva II.
Which one do you think they will get? I would guess that it might be one if the Princess Twins as they would be christening the ship in the Pacific, where these two are based. Though I wanted those two to go to Cunard or HAL....
[ 11-22-2005: Message edited by: Thad ]
Oceania wouldn't want the others... unless I suppose the only option.
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I heard the agreement that prevents TAHITIAN PRINCESS from leaving Tahiti is only valid for a certain amount of time (I want to say 5 years).
quote:Where Marina will sailNovember 23, 2005 Oceania Cruises plans to deploy its fourth ship ‘primarily in the Pacific Rim year-round,’ president and ceo Frank Del Rio told travel agents on board the new Nautica. Yesterday, at the ship’s naming in Istanbul, Del Rio disclosed the company is in ‘advanced discussions’ about a fourth sister ship and, if all goes well, Marina will be named on July 7, 2007, in Hong Kong. ‘It might be R Three, Pacific Princess. It might not be,’ Del Rio said in response to agent speculation about the ship. ‘We are in discussions with all parties.’ Though the ship has not been finalized, Del Rio has a good idea of where it would operate: China, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Australia-New Zealand and Tahiti. If things calm down, Bali could be on the charts, too. ‘We think China is hot as a pistol, in the U.S. particularly,’ Del Rio said. ‘We think avian flu will die down,’ he added. The Oceania chief executive pointed to heavy promotional spending by Chinese tourism officials in advance of the 2008 Summer Olympics and cited a report that 1,000 new museums will open in China between now and the Games --100 in Shanghai alone.Seatrade Insider
‘It might be R Three, Pacific Princess. It might not be,’ Del Rio said in response to agent speculation about the ship. ‘We are in discussions with all parties.’
Though the ship has not been finalized, Del Rio has a good idea of where it would operate: China, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Australia-New Zealand and Tahiti. If things calm down, Bali could be on the charts, too.
‘We think China is hot as a pistol, in the U.S. particularly,’ Del Rio said. ‘We think avian flu will die down,’ he added.
The Oceania chief executive pointed to heavy promotional spending by Chinese tourism officials in advance of the 2008 Summer Olympics and cited a report that 1,000 new museums will open in China between now and the Games --100 in Shanghai alone.
Seatrade Insider
Pac Prin is definitely doing the 06/07 season out of Sydney but nothing confirmed beyond that and maybe this is why. It may also explain why Regal Princess was kept in the Princess fleet because moving up in size it is probably next biggest if you take away the ex "R ships".
I guess we never heard the real reason why Dawn Princess' Australian season was cancelled so it is hard to say if the economics of a ship the size of Regal (or Dawn) Princess is a problem as a premium South Pac offering.
A final thought out of left field could be Princess no longer serving the premium South Pac market and handing it to P&O Cruises who could base Artemis out of Sydney for the premium season. It is about the right size and is adult only. (Pac Princess is effectively an adult only offering with children priced at adult fares indicating that they are not welcome.)
quote:Originally posted by reeves35: (Pac Princess is effectively an adult only offering with children priced at adult fares indicating that they are not welcome.)
The number of children on Pacific Princess is indeed limited,due to the ship being designed as adult only , hence no facilities or room for children.I have had 3 cruises on her and on each there were children and they had to use either the Sterling Steakhouse during the day,or the card room.With only having 1 pool the staff had to set the pool aside at certain times so the children could play water games.
quote:reeves35 wrote:...Pac Prin is definitely doing the 06/07 season out of Sydney but nothing confirmed beyond that and maybe this is why. It may also explain why Regal Princess was kept in the Princess fleet because moving up in size it is probably next biggest if you take away the ex "R ships". I guess we never heard the real reason why Dawn Princess' Australian season was cancelled so it is hard to say if the economics of a ship the size of Regal (or Dawn) Princess is a problem as a premium South Pac offering...
I guess we never heard the real reason why Dawn Princess' Australian season was cancelled so it is hard to say if the economics of a ship the size of Regal (or Dawn) Princess is a problem as a premium South Pac offering...
Logic would say that DAWN PRINCESS will pay us (Australasia) a visit as initially intended.
quote:Originally posted by Pascal:I know it may seem ridiculous ... but it's very hard for me to imagine the Princess fleet without a ship called Pacific Princess.
Dont worry, the next Grand-Class clone they spit out of the shipyard can be the next Pacific Princess...
quote:Originally posted by Globaliser:On another board, someone has dug out some archived press releases from August 2002 that announced that Princess was taking Pacific Princess and Tahitian Princess on lease purchase contracts, with the option to purchase falling due in late 2004. It doesn't exclude the possibility that Pacific Princess will go to Oceania - Princess might have refused the option or might be proposing to lease her to Oceania - but it seems to reduce the likelihood that this is what's planned.
I still have a feeling the TAHITIAN PRINCESS will be the first one to leave. It seems that she has be neglected and forgotten in the Tahitian Islands...
quote:Originally posted by Waynaro:Say Carnival/Princess refuse to purchase these two ships, if one goes to Oceania who will pickup the other?
Pullmantur could be interested. However, I think that they would rather Delphin or Minerva II as are similar to R-6 Blue Dream. Could Delphin Seereisen or Swan Hellenic also participate in the exchange of ships? Could Pullmantur sell their R-6 to Oceania in exchange of getting both Pacific and Tahitian Princess?
--Minerva II is still on lease from Cruiseinvest.
--Tahitian's contract in French Polynesia has just been renewed/extended.
--Pullmantur purchased the former R6 ourtight from Cruiseinvest a few months ago.
Indeed, there is a burgeoning market for smaller ships such as these and they CAN and DO make money - if marketed properly and operated wisely.
--Tim
quote:Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:--Princess Cruises does indeed own the Tahitian and Pacific Princesses. --Minerva II is still on lease from Cruiseinvest. --Tahitian's contract in French Polynesia has just been renewed/extended. --Pullmantur purchased the former R6 ourtight from Cruiseinvest a few months ago.
Y'all just have to keep guessing.
Tim
quote:Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:Y'all just have to keep guessing.
quote:Originally posted by Waynaro:Could this mean the DELPHIN RENAISSANCE is available?
Waynaro,
it's no secret that Delphin Seereisen has been in uncalm waters. Recently Mr. Hey, the company's longtime owner, stepped down as managing director and his managing company MTC is also no longer involved with the ship's management.
Best,
Raoul
quote:Originally posted by r.fiebig:Waynaro,it's no secret that Delphin Seereisen has been in uncalm waters. Recently Mr. Hey, the company's longtime owner, stepped down as managing director and his managing company MTC is also no longer involved with the ship's management.Best,Raoul
If there is no more R-class ships available, they will have to build new ships. I wonder if they would consider building more R-class ships?
[ 11-27-2005: Message edited by: Waynaro ]
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