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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 03-22-2005 07:58 AM

During the delivery ceremony of Arcadia at Fincantieri's Venice-Marghera shipyard on Sunday (March 20th), P&O Cruises Managing Director, David Dingle, had this to say:

..."to maintain leadership in the UK market, we (P&O Cruises) need more ships and I look forward to Fincantieri building more ships for us."

When will this happen and what designs can we expect?

******

Cheers

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eroller
First Class Passenger
Member # 1649

posted 03-22-2005 09:37 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:

When will this happen and what designs can we expect?
******
Cheers

I would expect more of the same ... the Vista Class. Carnival has already exploited this design over five brands so why not keep the momentum going?

Ernie

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lebelty
First Class Passenger
Member # 3855

posted 03-22-2005 02:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by eroller:

I would expect more of the same ... the Vista Class. Carnival has already exploited this design over five brands so why not keep the momentum going?
Ernie

Or one of the many mega ships ordered by Carnival, since 2 of them (i think), need to go to a europeancompany anyways, thasty what he was referreing to maybe.
tyler

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 03-22-2005 04:08 PM

Oriana and Aurora are looking more like like 'classics' everyday!

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 03-22-2005 04:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Oriana and Aurora are looking more like like 'classics' everyday!

"looking" is the improtant word here.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 03-22-2005 05:34 PM

Maybe Queen Victoria will be transferred to P&O becoming their Canberra 2.

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Sea Wanderer
First Class Passenger
Member # 5371

posted 03-22-2005 06:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by eroller:

I would expect more of the same ... the Vista Class. Carnival has already exploited this design over five brands so why not keep the momentum going?
Ernie

It would be nice to have a bit more variety, than the endless (seeming) Vista class and allied designs...

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NAL
First Class Passenger
Member # 1102

posted 03-22-2005 06:58 PM

I think I heard ADONIA is returning to the
Princess fleet. Is that not true? That would
mean one fewer, not more. I like the look
of the new ARCADIA. I like the vista-class
vessels, unlike many here.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 03-22-2005 08:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by eroller:

I would expect more of the same ... the Vista Class. Carnival has already exploited this design over five brands so why not keep the momentum going?
Ernie

Carnival Corp . seems to be going the way of commercial aviation. Building one model for several different lines but with slightly different interior configurations, decor and exterior livery. A bit like comparing a British Airways Boeing 777 with a United Airlines 777. Same exterior, just a little different interior and livery.

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CGT
First Class Passenger
Member # 3531

posted 03-22-2005 09:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Carnival Corp . seems to be going the way of commercial aviation. Building one model for several different lines but with slightly different interior configurations, decor and exterior livery. A bit like comparing a British Airways Boeing 777 with a United Airlines 777. Same exterior, just a little different interior and livery.

.....and service. Sad. Just SAD.

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 03-22-2005 09:58 PM

Maybe Mr. Dingle was referring to one of the two CARIBBEAN-class ships ordered awhile ago? I really hope Meyer Werft will build a ship (a ORIANA/AURORA hybrid?) for P&O...

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 03-22-2005 10:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by NAL:
I like the look of the new ARCADIA. I like the vista-class vessels, unlike many here.

Me too! The Vista-class ships are much better looking than Carnival/Costa's version. I am afraid to say, it might be better looking than AIDA's Sphinx-project...

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eroller
First Class Passenger
Member # 1649

posted 03-22-2005 10:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Me too! The Vista-class ships are much better looking than Carnival/Costa's version. I am afraid to say, it might be better looking than AIDA's Sphinx-project...

I feel just the opposite. I think the Spirit Class looks better. I like the way the balconies jet in and out in sections and I feel it gives the ship a sleeker appearance. I also like the forecastle better being sloped steel rather than tiered decks. To me it give the ship a more powerful look. I don't think either the Spirit or Vista Class will win any beauty pageants (both are floating apartment blocks), but given the choice I'll take the appearance of Spirit.

Ernie

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eroller
First Class Passenger
Member # 1649

posted 03-22-2005 10:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Carnival Corp . seems to be going the way of commercial aviation. Building one model for several different lines but with slightly different interior configurations, decor and exterior livery. A bit like comparing a British Airways Boeing 777 with a United Airlines 777. Same exterior, just a little different interior and livery.

I've thought the same thing ever since the Spirit/Vista Class was developed. It's getting to the point where a small handful of shipyards are producing essentially the same basic ship for several different brands. Now it seems cruise lines and shipyards are becoming even more proprietary. Carnival Corp with Fincantieri and Royal Caribbean with Aker. Of course there are exceptions but generally speaking. In the long term I don't see how it will benefit the consumer as individual brands as we know them become more and more blurred.

Ernie

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Pascal
First Class Passenger
Member # 5510

posted 03-23-2005 02:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by NAL:
I like the look of the new ARCADIA. I like the vista-class vessels, unlike many here.

I like as well Vista-Spirit class. They are so far from being the ugliest newbuilds. Just look at the Destiny or the Grand classes, for examples, they are so hideous ! Of course you have to compare those classes with contemporary ships, not with old ocean liners (of course thoses ones looked much better).

Anyway, I think that the most beautiful ships built these last 10 years are Oriana & Aurora.

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Globaliser
First Class Passenger
Member # 4153

posted 03-23-2005 08:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
A bit like comparing a British Airways Boeing 777 with a United Airlines 777. Same exterior, just a little different interior and livery.

I'm not quite sure whether CGT would agree or disagree with this, but for me the analogy goes on: A little different interior and livery, and a world of difference in service. The last bit will keep me choosing one over the other.

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mec1
First Class Passenger
Member # 4287

posted 03-23-2005 08:55 AM

I agree Globaliser - it's in many cases the software that makes the difference - and even many years ago when classes of ships were built ( the Cunard Saxonia sisters, the White Star Big Four, the Straths, Orcades and her sisters) each ship was different and each was preferred by different people for different reasons. I would be far happier if cruiselines differentiated their onboard product rather than worrying about their all having the same ship designs. And actually, when you think about it, I am sure that one of the reasons for Carnival's enormous success (the line, not Carnival corp) is that they came up with a simple and absolutely single-minded brand proposition - FUN....

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eroller
First Class Passenger
Member # 1649

posted 03-23-2005 09:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
I'm not quite sure whether CGT would agree or disagree with this, but for me the analogy goes on: A little different interior and livery, and a world of difference in service. The last bit will keep me choosing one over the other.

The service on HAL, Carnival, Princess, Royal Caribbean, Costa, NCL, and even Cunard and Celebrity is really not that different. Certainly not "a world apart". There are subtle differences but on the big ships it's basically an International crew catering to 2000+ passengers. To really obtain a world of difference in service, you must step up to the smaller luxury lines that really know how to cater to the individual. It's the difference between a Hilton/Marriott and a Ritz Carlton.

Today we have Celebrity staff working on Royal Caribbean. Costa staff on Carnival. Princess staff on Cunard. Etc. etc. The staff, just like the new ships, are essentially interchangeable.

Ernie

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Tim Agg
First Class Passenger
Member # 3185

posted 03-23-2005 11:06 PM

I 've been thinking about the "good old days", for example the P&O and Orient fleets from 1930 to 1959, and wondering if exterior designs really differed more than what we see now. Pre-war - three funnels, two funnels, one funnel ... ? Post-war, how readily could we distinguish Arcadia from Iberia, Himalaya and Chusan, or Orcades from Oronsay and Orsova? It seems to me that today's successful companies do what they've always done - find a good design and adapt it as long as it works. There is as much fascination in variations as in bold new designs.

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chateausmith
First Class Passenger
Member # 3423

posted 03-24-2005 07:38 AM

Isn't Ritz-Carleton owned by Marriot??

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 03-24-2005 03:39 PM

Before being switched to the Princess brand, one of the recent Grand-class newbuilds had been scheduled to go to P&O. (I'm not sure which ship, one from Fincantieri- either Caribbean or the upcoming Crown).

Perhaps there is still a Grand-class in P&O's future? I, of course, do not support this idea, but it may happen. Can someone do a quick photoshop of a Grand with P&O funnel?

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 03-24-2005 06:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fairsky:
one of the recent Grand-class newbuilds had been scheduled to go to P&O.

Are you sure about that? I can't imagine a ship as big as that fitting in with P&O's fleet at present.

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eroller
First Class Passenger
Member # 1649

posted 03-24-2005 08:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Are you sure about that? I can't imagine a ship as big as that fitting in with P&O's fleet at present.

CROWN PRINCESS, currently being built in Italy was originally slated for P&O. Rest assured P&O will receive one of the Grand-Class orders, and she might even have an interesting name!

Ernie

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 03-24-2005 10:42 PM

Usually ships changed from one cruise line to the other after some years being in service, now it seems as if it is becoming fashion that they change even before they are built.

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NAL
First Class Passenger
Member # 1102

posted 03-28-2005 03:45 PM

Although P&O may be losing ADONIA, they are
gaining another with the transfer of ROYAL
PRINCESS to P&O from Princess.

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