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Weaver
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posted 02-20-2005 07:48 PM      Profile for Weaver   Email Weaver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Opps, I appoligise in the way I worded all that. What I meant was that as a land locked American in Northern California, 99% of British life is learned from old Beatle songs like Penny Lane and When I'm 64. I still don't know what the line means from the old song "We can rent a cottage in the Isle of Right or White? If its not too dear???" I read P & O goes to great length to distance itself to separate it from the Carnival (US) cruisers. That is what attracts me to sailing on a total British ship. My RCCL cruise to Mexico was fun but very American. Not bad, just very homogonized. I would still find Captain Peacock glaring at Mr. Lucas very entertaining.
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Weaver
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posted 02-20-2005 07:51 PM      Profile for Weaver   Email Weaver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whoops. This post was supposed to be posted to the "Most British" section.
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Tom Burke
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posted 02-21-2005 05:53 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Those songs are themselves 40 years old, and McCartney was drawing on even older family memories when he wrote them (certainly in the case of 'When I'm 64'). So that image has its genesis over 50 years ago, IMHO.

But, for translation - "We can rent a cottage in the Isle of Wight (if it's not too dear)" - holiday plans for a pair of budget-constrained British old-timers, as might-have-been in the mid-60s. The Isle of Wight lies off the south coast of england, and still to some extent is a favoured place for senior citizens - the town of Ventnor, especially, has been called 'God's Waiting Room'... These days many elderly Brits holiday, or even have homes, in Spain where it's reliably hot & sunny. This is a huge change in behaviour which began in the decade or so after the Beatles were writing their songs. Today the TV channels are full of programmes about building/renovating/buying 'a place in the sun'.

And a lot of older people may well take a cruise ("if it's not too dear")....


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posted 02-21-2005 08:11 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I sometimes think Brits and Americans don't realise or don't realise the full impact TV and Movies have on their image abroad.
They live in that society which makes those programs, and they can place it better.
We, and every one else, sees only this image.

I don't think Britain isn't really only populated with small very pittoresque villages where there is more murder than in Iraq these days, and with ghetto like cities full of junks, speaking some scots, or suburbs full of silly women, while everybody is very witty in their speech, or eccentric.

As for America...

J


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posted 02-21-2005 08:48 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I well remember the department stores of the 60s, Gamages, Selfridges etc... on which 'Are you being served' was based, but it was just a 'soap' and bore no relation to reality, apart from the scenery perhaps. Without mentioning names one Ct'er recently admited to me that he imagined Fred. Olsen pax to be like Colonels & Captains out of Agatha Christie novels. I did laugh, but can see where the impression comes from. It just shows how much we take in from books/films etc without realising it.

Now.. do our Australian members all live in Ramsey St. with the same antics going on? Or live in the outback with a flying doctor where there are always serious complications

Glad no-one thinks that in the UK we all live like Coronation Street. But they did get to go on QE2. So did Violet Bucket.

Pam.. who puts her milk bottles in the dishwasher too.. LOL


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posted 02-21-2005 08:55 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

Pam.. who puts her milk bottles in the dishwasher too.. LOL


Do you really still have milk bottles in the UK? Here in the States, I think you can only find them on eBay!

Rich

[ 02-21-2005: Message edited by: Linerrich ]


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posted 02-21-2005 11:32 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speaking of two nations separated by a common language, I was watching Fox News over here (UK) and the American interviewer was asking a "friend" of Camilla Parker Bowles what she had been doing for the past few years.

The interviewer, clearly not familiar with the British expression "putting one's head above the parapet", almost choked when the friend said "Keeping her head down."


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 02-21-2005 11:44 AM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Do you really still have milk bottles in the UK? Here in the States, I think you can only find them on eBay!

Rich

[ 02-21-2005: Message edited by: Linerrich ]


Some smaller dairies actually still offer milk in glass bottles here in L.A.. Likewise for the limited production classic glass Coke bottle.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 02-21-2005 11:50 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Do you really still have milk bottles in the UK? Here in the States, I think you can only find them on eBay!



Yes, we still have milk bottles and 'milk men' who deliver to yoir door-step!

That's not to say that you can't buy milk in plastic bottles in supermarkets etc. because you can.


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posted 02-21-2005 11:51 AM      Profile for Weaver   Email Weaver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
America get BBC on the cable and sattilite but does not get commericals from the UK like P&O or Cunard. I think they would play well here in California. I still cannot change body position or move around on noisy furniture without references Benny Hill. My wife is not amused, she says "stop staring at me like Benny Hill".
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quote:
Originally posted by Johan:
I sometimes think Brits and Americans don't realise or don't realise the full impact TV and Movies have on their image abroad.
They live in that society which makes those programs, and they can place it better.
We, and every one else, sees only this image.

I don't think Britain isn't really only populated with small very pittoresque villages where there is more murder than in Iraq these days, and with ghetto like cities full of junks, speaking some scots, or suburbs full of silly women, while everybody is very witty in their speech, or eccentric.

As for America...

J


Jack Valenti former head of the Motion Picture Association said in a recent interview that most movie people in Hollywood 'don't get' the majority of Americans. The majority of American do not live on either coast but in the so called 'fly over' states in smaller cities and towns. The friendliest most genuine people in the entire USA live in this Mid-Western section of the country IMO. This coming from a native Californian!


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posted 02-21-2005 11:57 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Weaver:
I read P & O goes to great length to distance itself to separate it from the Carnival (US) cruisers. That is what attracts me to sailing on a total British ship.

P&O have always offered an experience aimed at Brits, just as Carnival aim one aimed at American's. I'm sure that you would enjoy the cultural difference, if you are open minded.

Unfortunately, TV, music and movies provides you with a very British sterotypes that hardly exist anymore - if they ever did.

For example, what is the UK's most popular 'take out'? Is it Roast Beef or Fish & Chips? Well the number one is Indian Curry.

By the way, the Isle of Wight is not so far from Southampton and Portsmouth. The QE2, QM2 and the great Queens of old sailed past it regularly arriving or departing southampton:

www.iwight.com

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posted 02-21-2005 01:23 PM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The majority of American do not live on either coast but in the so called 'fly over' states in smaller cities and towns.

Is that actually true? I don't actually have the state populations to hand, but by the time you allow for California, Texas, Florida, New York, the Pacific North West, New England, even Pennsylvania has a coastline, New Jersey - I think the only really populous states that are truly inland are Ohio, Illinois, and the chain down through Kansas and Tennessee.


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posted 02-21-2005 03:24 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Weaver:
My wife is not amused, she says "stop staring at me like Benny Hill".

Although Benny Hill was very poular in the UK in the 70's and 80's, as was 'Are you being Served' - comedy moved on - several decades ago. I don't suppose that you get 'Little Britain' in America?

Many Brits found Benny Hill and his show rather strange (and very un-PC). I find it hard to imagine which sector of the UK population her is supposed to represents? I've certainly never met or seen anyone in real life, quite like Benny Hill.


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quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:

Do you really still have milk bottles in the UK? Here in the States, I think you can only find them on eBay!

Rich

[ 02-21-2005: Message edited by: Linerrich ]


Milk Bottles:

As a child, my parents had milk delivered to our home via a milkman. Once a week or so, he would bring one chocolate milk with the regular milk. This was when I was a tot in the very early '70's, but I remember it well. When my family was living in L.A. Those were the waning last days of home milk delivery.


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posted 02-21-2005 03:30 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:

Is that actually true? I don't actually have the state populations to hand, but by the time you allow for California, Texas, Florida, New York, the Pacific North West, New England, even Pennsylvania has a coastline, New Jersey - I think the only really populous states that are truly inland are Ohio, Illinois, and the chain down through Kansas and Tennessee.


Eh, Pennsylvania has only a sliver on Lake Erie. So that doesn't count.

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posted 02-21-2005 03:31 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

Although Benny Hill was very poular in the UK in the 70's and 80's, as was 'Are you being Served' - comedy moved on - several decades ago. I don't suppose that you get 'Little Britain' in America?


Is "Little Britain" an accurate portrayal of the contemporary british society ?
or the best british comedy of the moment ?

I can't say I quite like it. And things like "My family" ?

It was very telling that the comedy show voted the best british sitcomrecently was a show which never really took of outside britain, "Only Fools and Horses"...


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posted 02-21-2005 03:36 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:

Is that actually true? I don't actually have the state populations to hand, but by the time you allow for California, Texas, Florida, New York, the Pacific North West, New England, even Pennsylvania has a coastline, New Jersey - I think the only really populous states that are truly inland are Ohio, Illinois, and the chain down through Kansas and Tennessee.


The 'Coasts' being the Atlantic and Pacific coasts. California is often referred to today as 'The Left Coast' by people on the right. California is the most populous and the vast majority of my home state's people live in the lower 1/3. The East coast is heavily populated in the upper 1/3-basically a reverse. The reason I mentioned the movie business is that when many new films are first released, they are released in Los Angeles and New York City only-both 'company towns' then later to the rest of the country.


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posted 02-21-2005 03:45 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CGT:

Milk Bottles:

As a child, my parents had milk delivered to our home via a milkman. Once a week or so, he would bring one chocolate milk with the regular milk. This was when I was a tot in the very early '70's, but I remember it well. When my family was living in L.A. Those were the waning last days of home milk delivery.


CGT-I saw an 'Alta Dena' dairy truck doing a home delivery a few months ago. I was blown away as I also remember the early 70s and the milkman. I remember sneaking out and telling him not to forget the chocolate ice cream my mom forgot to write on the list-hehe. He delivered it the next week!!


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quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

The friendliest most genuine people in the entire USA live in this Mid-Western section of the country IMO.


I bet the folks in the "Southwest" would take issue with that statement, especially my friends in Texas, Oklahoma and New Mexico.

As for home milk delivery, there are still a few people in my neighbourhood who get it delivered. The only time I buy it at the supermarket is during the 2 weeks that my milkman takes his summer vacation. But glass bottles are a thing of the past around here.

Brian


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CGT: Are you perhaps unaquainted with a large port city on the Delaware River called Philadelphia, which, as I understand it, is part of Pennsylvania? Erie is not the only port in the Commonwealth!
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quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
CGT: Are you perhaps unaquainted with a large port city on the Delaware River called Philadelphia, which, as I understand it, is part of Pennsylvania? Erie is not the only port in the Commonwealth!

Yes, that port is on a River, so it's not really "coastline" and it's certainly not on the ocean.


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quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
CGT: Are you perhaps unaquainted with a large port city on the Delaware River called Philadelphia, which, as I understand it, is part of Pennsylvania? Erie is not the only port in the Commonwealth!

Philadelphia is a river port. Pennsyvania has no Atlantic coastline. CGT is correct.

Brian


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Plus, only land along the sea is "coast". 'Round a lake it's "lakeshore" and along a river it's "riverbank".
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quote:
Tom Burke wrote:
…even Pennsylvania has a coastline…

CGT wrote:
Eh, Pennsylvania has only a sliver on Lake Erie. So that doesn't count.

Cambodge wrote:
…Are you perhaps unaquainted with a large port city on the Delaware River called Philadelphia…

CGT wrote:
Yes, that port is on a River, so it's not really "coastline" and it's certainly not on the ocean.

Brian_O wrote:
Philadelphia is a river port. Pennsyvania has no Atlantic coastline. CGT is correct.

CGT wrote:
Plus, only land along the sea is "coast". 'Round a lake it's "lakeshore" and along a river it's "riverbank".


I know the argument here is about states of the USA and their positioning, and whether they are on the East or West Coasts, but isn’t Philadelphia still a port where ocean going cruise ships visit? Is the water at the docks fresh or salty (to determine whether it is a sea or river port)?

Here is a map of Pennsylvania and the area near Philadelphia.

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Cheers

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