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Peter P
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posted 01-10-2005 12:59 PM      Profile for Peter P     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope they would but where are Canyon Ranch ships?


Vision Quest Lines

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posted 01-10-2005 04:08 PM      Profile for Hi Seas   Email Hi Seas   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yikes!... I don' t if I'm ready for that yet.
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bulbousbow
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posted 01-10-2005 07:59 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is that article mentioned by Peter P:

quote:
Olav Norum invests €1.2bn in US ‘floating conference ships’
Entrepeneur confident of investment, writes Jerry Frank
January 10 2005

NORWEGIAN entrepreneur Olav Norum is to spend around € 1.2bn ($1.56bn) on three newbuild cruise ships and a luxury yacht as he looks to target the burgeoning demand from corporate America for conventions and conferences at sea.

The Trondheim-based shipping investor has set up new venture Vision Quest Lines to operate the new luxury cruise fleet, which he plans to operate out of US cruise capital Miami and Port Everglades.

The three 70,000 gt floating conference centres will cost around € 390m each, with an additional luxury corporate yacht costing around € 20m.

Norwegian shipbuilder Aker Yards looks set to bag all three cruiseship newbuilds for its Finnish operation Aker Finnyards, which has been closely involved in drawing up the designs for the luxury specialist vessels.

Germany’s Lloyd Werft and Chantiers d’Atlantique in France were also in the running for the deal, with Mr Norum hoping to sign a series of letters of intent with Finnyards by mid-March.

“We have decided to go for Finnyards, because they have offered a delivery schedule 10 months faster than their competitors”, said Mr Norum.

Leading a consortium of over 30 investors eager to break into the growing corporate cruise sector, Mr Norum said that he has been looking at setting up in the niche area since the mid-1990s.

“The 9/11 terror attacks put back our plans to move into this market by about 18 months”, Mr Norum added. “Conditions have picked up and there is a lot of interest now in the US for conference and conventions at sea.

Industry figures for 2002 valued the conference cruise business in the wake of 9/11 at around $300m a year, with recent Vision Quest analysis estimating that the sector’s value has now doubled to $600m.

“The big cruise operations are experiencing growing demand from corporate clients with highly specific needs”, explained Mr Norum. “The holiday and business cruise markets don’t always blend well together.

“Holidaymakers don’t necessarily want to see large numbers of businessmen striding around in suits and vice versa.

“These vessels will specifically offer the level of facilities that corporate clients want when they book a conference or convention.”

As well as offering 35,000 sq ft of onboard floor space, the vessels will have a capacity for 1,200 passengers, going up to 1,400 with double occupancy of rooms.

Mr Norum, who over the last 12-years has built a business empire chartering and marketing cruise ships, expects to take delivery of the first vessel in mid-2007 with the next two due for delivery in 2008.

Financing of the deal is still under negotiation, with the consortium awaiting investment-grade coverage to secure backing from a number of undisclosed investors.

Vision Quest will aim to generate an annual revenue of around $100m from each vessel, which will initially be owned and operated by the company.

There are no plans to charter vessels to established operators, but Mr Norum did not rule the possibility out in the future.

With the first vessel due to operate from Miami for cruises in around the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean, Vision Quest will expand its cruise destinations with delivery of the second and third specialist cruise ship.

“We intend to offer New England and Canadian destinations, and, with panamax beams, the vessels will be able to operate via the Canal along the west coast and around Alaska.”

The cruise line also plans to offer cruise tours between North America and Europe.

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Interesting!!

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eroller
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posted 01-10-2005 09:13 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Three ships is too many ... one might even be too many. If these ships are not registered in the US (and they won't be), then any US Corporations booking a conference onboard will not be able to write it off as tax deduction. That in itself is a huge deterrent.

One of the reasons NCL America is including a large conference center on PRIDE OF AMERICA is hopes that the US registered ship will attract a lot of incentive groups and conferences. They certainly have the advantage with the ship being registered in the US.

Ernie


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Waynaro
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posted 01-10-2005 09:48 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm, this venture sounds similar to the Sea America project a few years back?
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eroller
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posted 01-10-2005 10:31 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
Hmm, this venture sounds similar to the Sea America project a few years back?


At least those would have been registered in the US which I think would have made them more viable than this project.

Ernie


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Marlowe
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posted 01-11-2005 01:17 AM      Profile for Marlowe   Email Marlowe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree that the concept really only makes sense with US built & flagged ships since Federal Tax law allows:

quote:
Conventions on cruise ships are subject to special rules for deductibility:
-The meeting must be directly related to the active conduct of the taxpayer's trade or business.
-The cruise ship must be a vessel registered in the United States.
-All ports of call must be located in the United States or its possessions.
-The taxpayer also has to satisfy rigorous reporting requirements to qualify for the deduction. These include written statements providing specific information by both the attendee and an officer of the sponsoring organization or group.
-In addition, the taxpayer is limited to a maximum annual deduction of $2,000 for cruise ship expenses, regardless of how many cruises are involved and whether the taxpayer files a separate return or joint return.

Even though their ships are not built in the US, a traveller on one of NCL America's vessels will be able to take advantage of this law and I believe they are marketing to business groups for these conferences at sea.

Of course, any cruise line can offer conferences at sea but they would not be treated by the IRS any differently than just taking a cruise and with that there is no particular advantage over CCL or RCCL or the remainder of NCL's fleets to offer the same.


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Sailor Sam
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posted 01-27-2005 01:02 PM      Profile for Sailor Sam        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Strange but intersting.
Website does not really offer much information.
It seems one needs an access code.
Has anyone tried to obtain one ?

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posted 01-27-2005 01:24 PM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This straight bow is fascinating!
The project was already in use for Kvaerner I think.
Sorry to be OT, but little would be needed to transform it into a Titanic!

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Thad
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posted 01-27-2005 04:26 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From Maritime Matters:

Mr Olav Norum of Trondheim has plans for three conference cruise ships to be developed in cooperation with Aker Finnyard Technology (formerly Kvaerner Masa Yards), which will bid on the contracts along with yards in Germany and France. The designs include very modern exteriors with a classically styled interiors. It is reported that the Norwegian architects Yran & Storbraaten are involved with the project. Each Vision Quest ship will be built identically: Length 273 meters; breadth 32 meters; 70,000 gt. Passenger capacity wil be 1200 and crew 600. Speed 27 knots. The cost estimate for the venture is discussed at US 1.7 billion USD (10 billion NOK) and includes a yacht to be used for marketing purposes. Construction of the first unit could begin as early as March 2005.

I am surprised by the 27K speed. Might one of the vessels conceivably be used for liner voyages? That speed will easily get you accross the Atlantic in 5 days.....


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posted 01-28-2005 07:35 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thad,
Many large ferries reach that speed nowadays and ROC did show the example for cruiseliners with their German-built twins.
I just hope these will be more economical to run!
Speed is bound to attract operators who need to be at many places fast,or escape the weather.
I hope their will be faster cruiseships which can offer different itineraries!

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