Beezo, I know you are joking. Complex ships (a la KMY design) will not become a mould for a cookie-cutter fleet. Too expensive.

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bulbousbow posted:
Do we know who the designer of the “Ultimate Class” is/will be? Which yard will build it? And how much is Carnival willing to spend on such a vessel?

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Originally posted by bulbousbow:

Beezo, I know you are joking. Complex ships (a la KMY design) will not become a mould for a cookie-cutter fleet. Too expensive.

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yup i know! Does seem way to expensive, and probably not fitting for all brands...

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Keitaro wrote:
But I do know that the design is almost finished and Carnival Corp. is shopping for the right price...

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What else do you know about the design? Any hints?

When it comes to the right price I think Fincantieri and KMY are the frontrunners. When is Carnival Corp. looking at building these? 2008 onwards?

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Brian (Beezo) wrote:
yup i know! Does seem way to expensive, and probably not fitting for all brands...

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Yep, that particular KMY design would be, but don’t be surprised if Carnival and the shipyard don’t chop and change things to suit the different brands.

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Peter P wrote:
It seems that Fincantieri is too busy to build this class after they have got so many orders lately... maybe?

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Yes, in the short-term it won’t be possible, however if Carnival is looking at a start date of 2007/2008 then it could happen. If KMY got the contract would it be at Turku?

Chantiers d’Atlantique is a possibility if their prices are competitive. Meyer Werft is highly skilled, but can it compete on price? The same goes with MHI in Japan. Doesn’t Carnival want the most bang for buck (best deal)?

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Originally posted by bulbousbow:
Meyer Werft is highly skilled, but can it compete on price?

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If KMY got the contract would it be at Turku?

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What else do you know about the design? Any hints?

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When it comes to the right price I think Fincantieri and KMY are the frontrunners. When is Carnival Corp. looking at building these? 2008 onwards?

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Globaliser wrote:
And would the ship be shallow and narrow enough to float down the river to the sea?

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Good question. I don’t know the specs of this KMY design, but by just looking at the picture you would think the breadth would be over 40m (131ft) and the draft at probably 8-8.5m (26-28ft). Draft-wise that would be OK, but breadth-wise that would be a problem. They would have to dismantle the Jann Berghaus bridge at Leer. Makes you wonder why Meyer Werft build ships up a narrow and shallow estuary, doesn’t it?

From the design it also looks like she may have an atrium through the middle of her superstructure. That’s nice.

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Peter P wrote:
I think so, Helsinki seems to be going down (not shortly but...)

Option is also build the hull in Rumania and do rest here in Finland.

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But not only that, wouldn’t the size of these ships preclude Helsinki? The idea of building the hulls in Rumania would be very cost effective and keep KMY competitive. The only downside is that there will be less work for the Finnish shipworkers.

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Anyone know whether Carnival Corp. and Fincantieri been working on a 180,000GT design?

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Originally posted by bulbousbow:
Makes you wonder why Meyer Werft build ships up a narrow and shallow estuary, doesn’t it?

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But at least they can still build good size ships there, unlike some of the once-powerful Cinque Ports, which you can't even reach with a small dinghy any more. (OK, maybe I exaggerate slightly, but you know what I mean.)

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Where did you get that pic? Some story behind that creature?