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Cambodge
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posted 08-13-2002 05:01 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have posted this request previously, but as many new passengers have signed aboard, it bears repeating.

In the mid 1960s, at a time when the Cambodge was calling at Hong Kong, I noticed a trim smallish passenger vessel, which I understood was in liner service between Hong Kong and Jakarta. We were at about 18,000 tons, so I would imagine this ship was about 15K or possibly less.

It was white, with much open deck space, like the US Coastal steamers of my youth, and was trimmed in green, as I recall.

I do not remember the name as it was a long Dutch one. I was told that it was one of two, or possibly three such vessels in such service.

Does anyone know of the line and its ships?

I do not believe it was the "Holland East Asia Line," which operated primarily cargo vessels ending in "..kerk."

Eric, you are our resident HKG agent. Others such as Nevadaflip have done time in the port.

Any thoughts, anyone?


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rd77
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posted 08-14-2002 03:44 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Was thinking it might have been TJIWANGI or TJILUWAH, but that wouldn´t go with your description of the name of the ship. Do you recall anything the funnel colours? Black with a flag, by any chance?

Cheers


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Cambodge
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posted 08-14-2002 08:46 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
By George he's got it!! --- I think.

It is possible that the Steamship Line had the Dutch name, but now that you mention it, that does sound like the name.

Can you tell me more about the line and its ships?


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posted 08-15-2002 11:17 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The line I´m referring to was called the "Koninklijke Java-China Paketvaart Lijnen" (KJCPL), known abroad as the Royal Interocean Line (RIL). Famous ships were the TJIWANGI and TJILUWAH, built in the 50s, and the former KPM ships RUYS, TEGELBERG and BOISSEVAIN, built in the late 30s. All real lookers. They also had very pretty cargo ships with names starting on STRAAT ...
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posted 08-15-2002 01:51 PM      Profile for PauloMestre   Email PauloMestre   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is this the ship you saw:


With the original black hull


Later hull repainted in white.

Best regards,

Paulo Mestre

quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
I have posted this request previously, but as many new passengers have signed aboard, it bears repeating.

In the mid 1960s, at a time when the Cambodge was calling at Hong Kong, I noticed a trim smallish passenger vessel, which I understood was in liner service between Hong Kong and Jakarta. We were at about 18,000 tons, so I would imagine this ship was about 15K or possibly less.

It was white, with much open deck space, like the US Coastal steamers of my youth, and was trimmed in green, as I recall.

I do not remember the name as it was a long Dutch one. I was told that it was one of two, or possibly three such vessels in such service.

Does anyone know of the line and its ships?

I do not believe it was the "Holland East Asia Line," which operated primarily cargo vessels ending in "..kerk."

Eric, you are our resident HKG agent. Others such as Nevadaflip have done time in the port.

Any thoughts, anyone?


[ 08-22-2002: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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Cambodge
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posted 08-15-2002 04:28 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks to all posters:

1. For one without a knowledge of Dutch, you must admit that "Koninklijke Java-China Paketvaart Lijnen" was probably the reason I did not remember the steamship company. But I knew of the Royal Interocean Line.

2. Paulo, thanks for the photos:
The ship was sporting white paint when I saw her in HKG in the '60s as I have mentioned. A handsome ship, we would have liked to have sailed on her.

It appears to me that the weather-deck configuration, aft of the stack is not the same in the "white-night" photo. Am I correct that there was more than repainting at that time?

And does anyone know her tonnage?


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cruiseny
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posted 08-15-2002 04:33 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
It appears to me that the weather-deck configuration, aft of the stack is not the same in the "white-night" photo. Am I correct that there was more than repainting at that time?

Sorry for my ignorance but what is a weather-deck? Aside from paint she looks the same in both photos...

A very handsome vessel indeed... Is there any info on the web regarding her or her fleetmates? Whatever happened to her?

Happy Cruising,
Cruiseny


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Cambodge
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posted 08-16-2002 11:09 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Paulo:

If I had the time, which I have; and if my archives were in better order, which they are not; I could date the early evening photo on the basis of what construction had taken place in Victoria (that is Hong Kong Island). My guess would be 1962, or possibly earlier, as the humongous number of high-rise office buildings had barely started to be built.

If you look at the "saddle" in the Victoria Peak right above the stack, you will dimly discern the apartment occupied by some friends of ours at that period.

Ah memories!


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posted 08-16-2002 11:07 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

But what is a weather-deck?

Happy Cruising,
Cruiseny


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rd77
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posted 08-21-2002 04:41 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cambodge,

To the best of my knowledge, no significant rebuilding work was ever done on neither TJIWANGI nor TJILUWAH. The TEGELBERG, RUYS and BOISSEVAIN were white while run by the KPM (Koninklijke Paketvaart Maatschappij), while under RIL ownership they had black hulls untill their end. Can someone find out when these ships moved from KPM to RIL? Maybe you saw one of those three ships...


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posted 08-21-2002 08:58 AM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
rd77,

The TEGELBERG, RUYS and BOISSEVAIN moved from KPM to RIL in 1947, when the RIL was founded.

AJL


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posted 08-22-2002 11:40 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was definitely TJIWANGI and it was white!

I appreciate all of the info acquired. It makes his board a very useful research instrument.


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