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DAMBROSI
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posted 08-03-2002 05:35 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now that my mourning time has passed and I'm getting a new cat. I can tell you all
what I think AGAIN about this crazy fiasco between these lines. I think it's STOOPID. Money against money, power and control. I'm telling you, the cruise lines should leave WELL ENOUGH ALONE. I LOVE IT WHEN IT WAS INDIVIDUAL CRUISE LINES. And not this silly conglomerate of whose toys are bigger than the others.
MAD!!! YES I AM. It's time that these CEOs should STOP thinking about making themselves so great. It's insanity, madness and greed taken to a new level in the industry. And bigger STILL DOES'NT MEAN BETTER. Someday, it's all going to end and the public will have their fill. Just as they did in the 50's. Then it will be
too much tonnage and not enough pax. It's not now. All the little schemes going on in the industry. Make another ship bigger and out goes the Filet Mignon, UNLESS you pay for it in their LEBISTRO areas on the
ships. The FLOATING MONSTROSITIES out there are
NEVER going to add up to the grandness we knew of. With a
few ACCEPTIONS and only A FEW. It's SICK AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
SOOOOOO THERE!!!!

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cruiseny
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Member # 2928

posted 08-03-2002 06:43 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

I am pleased to see that you have joined me in being an equal-opportunity anti-merger person.

Because I didn't like your blind faith in RCCL. They are at least as bad as Carnival.

Happy Cruising,
Cruiseny


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DAMBROSI
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posted 08-04-2002 12:39 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just don't trust any of this that's going on. While
MOST, not all thankfully; welcome the idea of either merger Cruiseny, I don't the
real winners are CEOs, the
LOSERS, US. The travel public as always. I just wish Bob and Mickey and the other Bob Fain, WOULD STOP INFLATING THEIR EGOS AND REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON.

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cruiseny
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posted 08-04-2002 01:33 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello,

Certainly I don't think the travelling public can be winners in any of these merger situations...

Carnival have done some very good things for the travelling public in the past. Cunard might not be around today if it weren't for Carnival, and Holland America would never have had the capital to expand to their current state. The quality over at Costa supposedly is increasing hugely, so that at least the monopoly in the European market is a rather more pleasant one.

However they are big enough for the time being. And RCCL have too many problems of their own to worry about without having to take on P&O.

Regardless, merger or no merger, it is already obvious that there are two, and only two major players in the market: Carnival and RCCL.

Mickey Arison has said that if P&O Princess are merged with RCCL, they will become "mired in mediocrity."

The problem is, they already are. Their product is looking less attractive by the minute. Their ships are the blandest in the world, and their latest ones look no different from those they've been building for years. They already are mediocre.

And Star Cruises are a complete and utter mess with no image, no product, no direction, no goals, no idea of where they're going, what they're doing, or anything else. They are in last place and I see no reason that they shouldn't continue slipping away until they are good only for laughs.

Taking over NCL probably wasn't as brilliant a move as everyone thought it was. Star Cruises were a great company when they stuck with Asia. But Star and NCL were tremendously incompatible, and NCL is being ruined. They may not have been great when taken over, but Star knew nothing about NCL, nothing about the American market, nothing at all. They seem like a bunch of confused amateurs. If the Three Stooges ran a cruise line, Star would be it.

So I don't think it is preventable that one way or another, merger or no merger, we are looking toward an industry dominate by Carnival and RCCL. This nonsense between them will conntinue, and when the merger farce is over something else will come up. It's called "competition" and that is what they are doing.

Happy Cruising,
Cruiseny


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ocngypz
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posted 08-04-2002 11:17 PM      Profile for ocngypz   Email ocngypz   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The way this is all being played out on "The Street"..... Princess is now the Crown Jewel to be "Won".

Since I bought my POC stock at IPO..... I am quite happy!! But, of course, I will be watching the stock price like a hawk.. no need to give too much away when the stock tumbles!!


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cruiseny
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posted 08-04-2002 11:37 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ocngypz:
The way this is all being played out on "The Street"..... Princess is now the Crown Jewel to be "Won".

Since I bought my POC stock at IPO..... I am quite happy!! But, of course, I will be watching the stock price like a hawk.. no need to give too much away when the stock tumbles!!


Aah... And if the FTC gives go-ahead, who do you vote for? Carnival or RCCL?

I haven't the faintest idea who I would... Really I think from a passenger's perspective either way it can't be for the good. But then again the worst that can happen is that Princess will fade away into mediocrity... And as I've said they're most of the way there already.

On the other hand if I were a stockholder it would have to be a financially motivated decision...

I don't know the stats, if I owned POC stock I would obviously.

Happy Cruising,
Cruiseny


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