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posted 07-11-2001 11:18 AM      Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello shiplovers:
here a another sad story, but not surpriseing.
The Charterer of the mv ARCADIA of Attika Cruises JV-partner with Dolphin hellas aka GOLDEN SUN CRUISES was ill advised to charter this badly run vessel and believing that the owners would ready the vessel to meet CDC and Coast Guard requirements.
After havin been issued with a rare no-sail order, the vessel still sailed across to Canada, wher they fixed the galley equipment. Returning back to the US, USPH-Inspectors gave her a clean bill of health, only this time the poor Charterer ran out of money.
Read the reprot. Now the question: who is at fault here, that is from the poor cruisers perspective. The Charterer who hired the vessel and sold the cruises or the owner of the vessel for delkivering a poor excuse for a cruise ship??
Your comments please.
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Cash crunch cuts cruise short
Passengers kicked off Great Lakes tour four days early


Jon Bricker
National Post

R.J. Frost, The Canadian Press


Fred Knorr of California looks for luggage after the Arcadia's passengers were ordered off in Sault Ste. Marie.



R.J. Frost, The Canadian Press


The company that chartered the Arcadia cruise ship says many passengers cancelled bookings after learning the ship had received a no-sail order because of sanitation problems. The no-sail order was later lifted.: (Photo ran in all editions except Toronto.)


A one-week Great Lakes boat cruise has been cut short for 121 passengers in Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., after an announcement that the U.S. firm that chartered the trip has run out of money.

The cruise, which left Windsor on Saturday, was supposed to include a tour of Lake Superior with stops in Michigan and Minnesota, as well as Thunder Bay, before arriving in Detroit next Saturday.

Instead, passengers arrived by bus in Windsor yesterday, four days ahead of schedule.

The decision by Great Lakes Cruises, Inc., to cease operations, follows floods of refund requests by passengers upset over media reports last week that the MTS Arcadia cruise ship had received a rare failing grade for sanitation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). It was only the second no-sail order handed down since the CDC began its vessel sanitation investigation program in the mid-1970s.

"Our bookings have fallen down to a trickle since this stuff hit the press," said Barry Craig, co-owner of the Wisconsin-based charter company.

He said an overwhelming number of travellers who had booked on upcoming cruises cancelled their reservations after the CDC cited poor food refrigeration, a dirty kitchen and a failure to guarantee potable drinking water, in issuing the no-sail order last week.

The no-sail order was lifted on Saturday following an inspection in Windsor by the CDC, the U.S. Coast Guard and Health Canada. However, according to Mr. Craig, the damage had already been done to the cruise company's reputation and bank accounts.

"We reached a point where bookings became so scarce because of bad publicity that we no longer had enough guarantee of future income to meet our bills," he said.

The refund requests will likely mean bankruptcy for Great Lakes Cruises and its co-owners, Mr. Craig and his partner, Ralph Diehl. The company was recently hit with another wave of refund requests over a previous voyage.

According to Dave Bennitz, the senior consultant for Health Canada's cruise ship inspection program, the no-sail order was necessary in this case in light of repeated warnings about sanitation on the Arcadia.

He said a cruise ship must receive a score of 86 out of 100 points to pass a sanitation investigation. During a recent investigation, the Arcadia received a score of 59.

"It's very unusual to see a vessel score this low," Mr. Bennitz said.

He said there have been no complaints about health problems resulting from poor sanitation on the Arcadia, but cruise carriers need to be especially diligent about on-board sanitation.

"There's a lot at risk for them if they wind up having a food poisoning while they're on the water," said Mr. Bennitz. "It's up to them to keep the vessel in good order."

Great Lakes Cruises was founded in 1998. According to Mr. Craig, with the decision to charter the 367-foot, 224-passenger Arcadia, this was supposed to be a particularly successful year.

The ship was slated to be the first in more than 30 years to sail a full season on the Great Lakes.

"Enthusiasm was running very high until this series of negative publicity," he said. "We were handling bookings at a pretty good clip."

He claimed the Attika Shipping Company, the Greek firm that owns the Arcadia, did not tell the chartering firm about the poor shape the Arcadia was in. He added Great Lakes Cruises and its owners may now declare bankruptcy, depending on the outcome of arbitration with Attika Shipping.

Mr. Craig said the legal battle will also determine whether disappointed travellers will receive refunds.

"I wish we could write them all a cheque," he said.

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Greetings from hamburg


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posted 07-11-2001 11:30 AM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought I saw a picture in one of the Toronto papers, but not sure. Did read the article though.
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posted 07-11-2001 11:31 AM      Profile for Great Lakes   Email Great Lakes   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think either company is without blame. Of course it is Attika Shipping's fault that the ship could not meet the health regulations at the first inspection and they also are at fault for not correcting the problems before the next two inspections. From other post on this site it seems that Attika/Golden Sun Cruises does not have a good reputation and this just makes that more clear. I also think that Great Lakes Cruise Co. was very foolish to try a full season right from the start. Cruising on the Great Lakes is steadily growing but all the other companies are not taking huge risks like GLCC did. I just hope that this doesn't hurt the reputations of all the other lines offering cruises on the Great Lakes. The Great Lakes are a great destination which anyone would enjoy.
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posted 07-11-2001 11:55 AM      Profile for rdv1111   Email rdv1111   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Great Lakes is heavily at fault, they were warned by many industry types to watch out for Golden Sun as regards USPH and Coast Guard regulations. I myself sent them a letter offering to go over in detail some of the problems had in the past with the Aegean 1, but they knew exactly what they were doing.........
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posted 07-11-2001 12:02 PM      Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Golden Sun - bad reputation:
indeed a valid point. in 1996-98 Renaissance Crusies chartererd the ms Aegean Dolphin, which they had then renamed to ms Aegean I (a name to be kept by the owners after the charter expired). RCI staff went to inspect the vessel and came up with a list of defficiencies, which the Owner promised to fix before the first cruise. meanwhile RCI signed the charter party and paid upfront charter hire. Well, big surprise, teh date of the first cruise with RCI pax arrived, not much had however been fixed. REnaissance even went out and bough blankets and pillows, installed galley equipment, toasters heat lamps to keep food warm at the buffet and other paraphernalia one should take for granted on a well run ship.
teh vessel soon got a bad reputation, especially for those guests who had sailed on Renaissance other vessels and had come to expect a good ship and service.
Here, as in the case Of Great lake Cruises, the owners/managers trusted the Greek owners to deliver on their promise. Say no more!!
I don't think the great lakes as a crusing destination will be tarnished by this incident. It will howver wake up those who think they can with little expertise bring poorly run vessels to market.

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posted 07-11-2001 08:01 PM      Profile for ocngypz   Email ocngypz   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Both the ship's owners and charterers are at fault. The owner's because they are responsible for the upkeep of the ship... and the charterers probably got the full ship charter for such a steal... they saw $$$$$$$$$ when they started pricing the fares.

I can't believe that any charterer would charter a ship without having been aboard her. If they hadn't seen the ship..well they deserve what they got. I don't block hotel space for our pax without having visited the hotels!!!

I'd be interested to know just how much they were charging pax for this cruise.

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posted 07-11-2001 09:51 PM      Profile for Great Lakes   Email Great Lakes   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
3-nights: $430-$770
4-nights: $570-$1,030
7-nights: $995-$1,795
this doesn't include port charges
These cruises are very affordable compared to the prices of other ships on the great lakes. The most expensive ship, the Le Levant, starts at over $4000 for a 7-night cruise.

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Seatrade, conatcted the ATTIKA offices and spoke to the MD who stated " I am not responsible for the ship", so who is??
Indeed, I would agree with grate lakes, the Charterer is at fault and the consequence is that they are going to file for bancrupcy. They of course blame the owner of the Arcadia and not themselves. they also state, that when the USPH Inspectors flew to greece to inspect the vessel, they were not shown the Report & List of defficiencies. From the owners perspective not a big surprise, from the charterers point of view: why the hell didn't you demand to see it ?????

RDV1111:
you mention problems with Aegean 1: did you charter her? sail on her ? would you kindly share your experiences >> dack@dack.de

GREAT LAKES:
You state the fares are cheap!! now those that you have posted range from 100 to 300 p.p.p.d. - knowing the type of vessel she is, her crew, food, service, entertainment, can you still claim that those rates are CHEAP????? Don't just look at the brochure rates, what seems cheap can be still very expensive. No what better proof for this banal saying do we have, than this case in point??
Does anyone know what/where the Arcadia is now??
Thanks


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locarno, read my post again
I said they were VERY AFFORDABLE COMPARED to other ships on the Great Lakes. The Columbus starts at $1,900, the Cape May Light at $3,400 and the Le Levant at $4,000. All for 7-night cruises. Even the Niagara Prince starts at over $1,100 for a 6-night cruise and the Nantucket Clipper starts at $4,200 for a 14-night cruise. Compared to those fares the Arcadia was VERY AFFORDABLE.

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Hi Great Lakes:
yes, $ for $ you are right. But compare everything else, for example vessels upkeep, safety, crew, food, entertainment and more, than I ask you what is indeed cheap????????

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posted 07-13-2001 08:05 AM      Profile for rdv1111   Email rdv1111   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Folks:

I have been in the business of cruise ships for a long time and the concept of getting a cheap low quality cruise when you pay a low price, simply does not need to be.

The economics involved in a larger +300 pax, cruise ship are such that even charging $75.00 a day, you can deliver a quality product from a facility, cleanliness,service and food and beverage perspective.

My experience is that you do not need to deliver nouvelle cuisine, but simple, honest, well prepared, food that entertains the taste buds, is hot when it's supposed to be and cold when it's supposed to be, will make most passngers very happy.

Good service is a by product of training and dedicated management.

Cleanliness is about having high standards and inspecting frequently.

In short, even an inexpensive cruise can be high quality if you have professional people dedicated to the task on board and ashore. You can do these things and still make money.

I think the big problem these days is too many ships and not enough seasoned people around to man and manage them. The last ten years of growth have outstripped the natural development and training of management. In the old days (read 80's), you wuld not make department head without having 5+ years as an assistant. Now it's more like 5 months as an assistant. The entire industry is starting to sag from the weight of this problem.


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ddv1111:
well stated, it would seem you have worked onboard ships as F & B, perhas H.M.???
Food: indeed, honest,tasty hot/cold but also well served. preperation&service together make for a good meal, if one of two is shabby, then the whole experience will suffer.
As for $75.oo per day? please forgive but I disagree.
If Arcadia 50+ years ship with greek officers and Romanian service staff, perhaps few phillipinios is according to GREAT LAKES charging almost as much as ms COLUMBUS, 4 1/2 years old, german flag and crew then something got to be terribly wrong, or not??
I should think that the food cost on Le levant/Columbus is in the neighborhood of $ 25.oo per day, whereas Arcadia was more like $ 9.oop.p.p.d - if that!!
Golden Sun uses entertainers from GUS states, you will not find english/us entertainers, which a good comedian will set you back $5.ooo per engagement(week) and Golden Sun will pay for the entire entertainment departmen no more than 10-thousand per month!!
A big part of the operating expenses are the cost of capital, for ms Columbus abt. $85 million, whereas a ship like Arcadia will have very small mortgage if any!
At 75 pppd you would have to have a load factor of 85% just to break even, wouldn't you say so??
No matter what, the cost of a cruise on the Arcadia was too high as Great Lakes had stated and the Charterer was out to dupe the public and make a killing.
Well, it seems he got what he derserves.

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The Acadia is docked here in Windsor, Ont. The paper said it was dry docked, but I don't they went that far in docking her. If you can get the Windsor Star newspaper on the internet, I'm sure you will find the story.
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posted 07-13-2001 05:45 PM      Profile for rdv1111   Email rdv1111   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've spent some time out there in just about every ship board department except Deck and Engine. More importantly is the time I've spent ashore with Operations.

Let's take a look at what Arcadia probably involved for Great Lakes economically.

Charter: Maximum bareboat charter (no crew, just the ship) $5,000 a day (probably less)

Food: $10 - 12.50 Per Person per Day

Crew: $10 per person per day when full

Fuel: $8 per person per day when full

All other: $10 per person per day when full

So with 200 Passengers aboard, their daily expenses are 8,100, plus the 5,000 or 13,100, which is only $65.50 per person per day. Shore side costs, marketing, etc, over a season will add $10 per person per day, so put it up to $75.

If they are charging over $100 a day (which they were), they should be making very very good money. However, the second they get into a "cash flow" crunch, they shut down. This tells me someone put some very good cash in their pockets and then bailed when it looked like they were going to have to give people their money back.

As far as Golden Sun is concerned, I had some first hand experience with them when using the Aegean 1 last year. They are a very nice bunch of fellows, and truth be told, run OK ships, but they do not have a clue, nor do they care to, about our silly USPH and Coast Guard regulations. If you search the green sheets, you will find Aegean got almost as low a score as the Arcadia did when she was inspected two years ago.

I had actually sent a letter to Great Lakes warning them of this and advising them to get professional assistance if they did not already have it to avoid exactly what happened.


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Great Lakes:

Those prices you quoted for the other lines are brochure. I recently booked my parents on the Cape May Light... 7 nights $1395.00pp. Le Levant a couple of summers ago....... $1195.00pp...both include port charges.

Columbus is in a league of its own. But you can still get a 10% discount from any discount cruise agent.

Anyone who would pay those rates to sail on a bucket of bolts must've been deep under the ether!!!


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Hi Great Lakes,
so my huntch was correct. interesting business ships operation. your cost estimates are ok, but I miss port charges, docking, stevedoring, pilotage, water, agency fees, and so forth. also it was a time charter and not bareboat, angelopoulos always goes for time charter. AEGEAN I, agreed, not bad, if as you say the "nice fellows" would care more especially train their horrible greek waiting and stewarding staff! the officers were actually very good and helpful, especially the ch.eng, master, ch.purser.
I offered to train the crew on USPH matters - for free!!! - but the offer was turned down. a) we know all and b) we do not touch us-waters so why bother ?? was the attitude.
Aegean I is now chartered by an outfit in Holland, who is planning in november a 64 days crusie to indonesia. check out their website at www.breaktime.nl
Let us keep an eye on the Arcadia and keep reporting when she is leaving windsor.
Thanks
PS
Patrick, could you send me an email, would love to communicate directly with you.
ciao

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Well some of your thoughts in this thread are very interesting but some of your "FACTS" are VERY WRONG. I was very close to both owner and charter and can tell you that as far as the daily charter price for the ARCADIA, Great Lakes Cruises paid $22,000 a DAY, not, as Mr (or Ms)1111 declared...PLUS fuel and food, which ran $20.00 per day per person...and fuel costs are high. Add some ridiculous port expenses... Her day and a half call at London cost the charterer $32,000...the Welland Canal transit came in between $12,000 and $18,000...
Did the charterer take the ship sight unseen? ABSOLUTELY NOT. He had been on her for a couple of cruises in the eastern Mediterranean. Did he know the ship needed work? YES and the owner promised that all would be corrected. Did the owner live up to his promises. NO. Did the ship pass a special safety inspection mandated for all Greek ships by the Greek government last fall? Yes, and so did the AEGEAN SPIRIT, which shows you what THAT inspection was worth.
Did the charterer try to make a quick buck? NO. Ralph Diehl, the president of charterer Great Lakes Cruises, Inc. had a dream - to resurrect cruising in the Great Lakes. What he didn't realize was that he had accepted costs which were far too high for the market to absorb. After my last few years of experience with Greek cruise lines I remember something my late mother said... "Every Greek God becomes a God-damned Greek" and in this instance and that of the AEGEAN SPIRIT (let alone her time as OCEAN GLORY 1), Attika Shipping and Golden Sun Cruises proved her right.

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Hi vulcania,
agreed, your figures are more like it, as it was highly unlikely that Mr.Diehl (poor fellow!) would charter a vessel bareboat, which for such a short season/period is also unrealistic. This entire sorry affair proves, you can't and you should not trust Greeks - the likes of Lelakis and Golden Sun - have only too often delivered on this statement, although some out there may now call me a rascist?!?
Even such serious operators like Royal Olmpic(a) Cruise Line are adding to this reputation, see the ongoing saga with Builders Blohm & Voss.
By the way did the vessel carry pax on her atlantic crossing?
Why was the vessel not inspected befroe taking delivery, e.i. going on hire ????
Any idea when the vessel will depart from the lakes back to Greece, or better even straight to Pakistan.....
What is the chance for Mr.Diehl to have the vessel arrested and demand at least his charter hire fees back and all associated expenses ???

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The ARCADIA arrived at Toronto with 139 passengers. She sailed with only 52! Her bookings for June were low but on her last cruise she had 127, the lowest figure booked for the rest of the season...some cruises had well over 200. As for not inspecting the ship, Ralph looked her over many times and informed the owner that she had to be improved in many areas and Anthony Priovolos promised all would be taken care of. The ship was inspected by American authorities at Piraeus as well, and Priovolos assured both the authorities and Ralph Diehl that all would be fixed. The ship was given an inspection by U.S. Coast Guard at Montreal. She didn't do well. A crew life boat drill for Coast Guard at Oswego was a bad joke. The motors in most of the boats wouldn't start...Coast Guard went aboard at Erie, too. They were later on her at Detroit. But beyond the blame belonging to Attika Shipping/Golden Sun, I put a lot of the blame on her Master, Capt. Panagiotakis who did not prepare his crew for American inspections. On many SOLARIS westbound crossings the crew was drilled EVERY DAY just to make sure the ship passed Coast Guard inspections with high scores...I know Panagiotakis and have zero respect for the man. I used to have some for Anthony Priovolos, but in the wake of this nonsense, that's gone, too.
I have no idea if the ship will be arrested but it should be. Basically, in many resepcts, the owners failed to live up to the provisions of the charter...nor did the ship on her transAtlantic cruise meet required speed, arriving very late in most ports (in Leith, she had a total of 2 hours, 13 minutes in port). I asked Ralph why he picked the ARCADIA and he told me though she was one of only four ships that met the criteria for his planned Great Lakes cruises, she was the only one that he could charter at the time.
One other thing that struck me on the four days I was on her this season is that her crew looks AWFUL...Actually, as many of them lined the rails at Toronto and later at Windsor, I thought..."They look like the crew of a pirate ship". Responding to my comments about some bad attitude from the dining room crew, the Maitre d'Hotel admitted that the ship has a bad name in Piraeus and they can't get good crew to work in her.

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Is this the vessel that Canada's Marine
Expeditions chartered a couple of years
back for a world cruise? It carried about
500 pax????

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Nope!
but close, as same company Golden Sun's AEGEAN I and another vessel the Ocean Explorer, which was the very popular EMERALD sailing from Miami to the Bahamas.

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locarno....

I love your name. I spent two summers in
Locarno many years ago. We stayed at the
Hotel La Palma au Lac.....a very beautiful
spot on the lake.
I do know about the Emerald Seas sailing as
Ocean Explorer which I think never completed
a world cruise. A friend sailed on another
of their ships and did complete the world
cruise. I thought the one she went on was
once chartered to Renaissance Cruises and
was called Aegean I. Now I am confused.


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Hi NAL,
yes Locarno is beautiful and so is the Hotel. Had many fine meals there!!!
You are right, Renaissance did chanrter the AEGEAN I - in fact had the ship renamed, as she was formerly known as the AEGEAN DOLPHIN - the ship did cost RCI many loyal fans, those who had previousl sailed on the smaller ships. Those that never had a cruise in their lives, did not mind much, as the cruises were sold really cheap. The biggest problem was the terrible attitude of the greek service crew, the cleanliness and the poor food. The recent headlines regarding the RCADIA and OCEAN GLORY thus do not come as a surprise at all. It is a shame though that scrupulous Tour Operators are permitted to "steal" time and money from unsuspecting customers and seemingly getting away with it.

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Actually, Ocean Explorer 1 and the Aegean both completed their world cruises for World Cruise Company. The Riveria (ex Don Juan) is the one that did not make it all the way through and stopped at Tahiti. That cruise was killed by all the arrest warrants out for the Aegean and Ocean Explorer (unpaid port charges and fuel mainly), there was no way to get the ship out of Tahiti once it docked without paying a chunk of money owners claimed they did not have
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Attika Enterprise, the greek owner of the mv Arcadia, claims loss of over 1 million US Dollars, due to the cancelled charter. A spokesman for the company said that she would leave the great lakes but not return to Piraeus, instead sail to the Caribbean for a new charter. Anybody hear who that company may be? Perhaps a Canadian TA?
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