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stangirl
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posted 01-28-2001 09:38 AM      Profile for stangirl   Email stangirl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We booked our cruise on Holland America’s Maasdam in April, 2000, and were very much looking forward to cruising the Western Caribbean. I am a teacher in Michigan and need to get away during February break so we booked for the week of February 18.

We paid our money and received our documents. Imagine our surprise to find out that we were booked on the cruise for the week of February 25. When our travel agent investigated, she found out that the cruise we originally booked had been chartered so we could not go. The cruise line had gone ahead and booked us for the next week and notified her by fax. However, she had not noticed the message on the fax when she received it, and thought it was just a confirmation, put it in our file, and forgot about it.

I refused to take a week off from my kids to go on a vacation, so our agent worked feverishly with Holland America to find us another cruise. We got lucky and are now booked on an eight day beginning the 17th. We have to go to the Eastern Caribbean, which we have been to twice already, but hey, sun is sun.

We did have travel insurance and would have received a refund, but we had really been looking forward to getting away. I didn’t know that a cruise line could arbitrarily change a cruise without notifying the passengers directly, but if it had to happen with any line, Holland America was the best. I don’t know if the other lines would have been so helpful.

Beware! Make sure your travel agent is aware that this could happen. Don’t let it happen to you.


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jwine
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posted 01-28-2001 09:55 AM      Profile for jwine   Email jwine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Being a TA, I find this hard to believe. If the ship you are asking about is chartered they will tell you right then. If there is a change in sailings for any reason the cruise lines normally will call and let you know or fax you a letter (which looks nothing like a reservation confirmation).
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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 01-28-2001 10:30 AM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like you TA goofed...plain and simple...and is now trying to cover up his/her blunder.

Tim


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Green
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posted 01-28-2001 02:42 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by timber:
Sounds like your TA goofed...plain and simple...and is now trying to cover up his/her blunder.

Tim


I agree. Charters do not happen at the last minute - particularly when the whole ship is to be taken over. In point of fact, it surprises me greatly that a ship of Maasdam's size could/would be chartered by a group.
Has anyone else heard of this on HAL or other Lines?

Stangirl, I'd be looking for another TA...you got lucky this time. As for the insurance, I doubt it would have covered you.

Have a great trip - east or west, sun is sun

[This message has been edited by Green (edited 01-28-2001).]


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sympatico
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posted 01-28-2001 04:28 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
GREEN - Veendam is being chartered for the month of April - 4 - 7 day charters from Aruba, by a very large Auto Insurance Company - does happen. I know IBM chartered the Rotterdam a few years back - brother-in-law was on it.
I think stangirl's TA blew it and is trying to blame HAL and cover up her mistake, but she would never admit it.

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NAL
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posted 01-28-2001 08:42 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with the others here....your TA blew
it......find a new one. HAL would never just
FAX this info to your agent. Changes of that
kind always require contact by phone. And
this was not a last minute charter.

You were lucky to get another cruise. Have
fun and enjoy!!


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Green
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posted 01-29-2001 11:01 AM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can understand organizations like IBM and insurance charters - but for sure they were not last minute. TA goofed!
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Ascendancy
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posted 01-29-2001 04:53 PM      Profile for Ascendancy   Email Ascendancy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not necessarily the TA's fault. What if Holland's bookkeeping got hosed and they over-booked. Or what if a very large convention group wanted to book that cruise just before your paperwork was processed. Guess what, you could very well find yourself
out of tickets. The airlines always over-book, and I have been bumped from hotels that would rather take a large group of conventioners. You have your reservation number and the whole bit, but they still
boot you from your room. (Of course they had to find me a room at another hotel. We ended up getting a better room, whew).

Why couldn't it happen on a cruise ship? In this case, the TA booked it and then the cruise line bumped you before sending you the paper work.


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nycruiser
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posted 01-29-2001 06:40 PM      Profile for nycruiser   Email nycruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am a TA and the same situation happend to me. I had a family booked on the Meridian during her last year to Bermuda. Months after they booked a received a call from Celebrity telling me that the cruise they were on was chartered. The clients were mad at me however we moved them to another cruise date. They never came back to our agency again.

There is a possibility that the agent screwed up. Stangirl should call Holland America and check it out. You never know!!


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Green
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posted 01-29-2001 11:11 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
nycruiser - I hope Stangirl takes your advice and that she posts, on this thread, the outcome.

HAL is our favourite Line and I'd like to feel secure about our space when deposit, required 7 days after booking, has been accepted and full payment has been made.

Stangirl - please keep us posted.

I'd hate to find out next week that our Feb. 16th departure has been changed!!!!! I'd be a lot more than


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Mercy
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posted 01-30-2001 08:16 AM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I heard of this happening on one of the Millennium sailings. People were already booked and then they sold a big charter. They changed dates for the non charter passengers. The travel agent was the one to make the mistake. When we had a cruise canceled on us by Royal Caribbean a few years ago, two weeks before we were to leave. We were NEVER notified by the cruise agency. We found out on line and called our T.A. She didn't know anything about it! She is NOT our T.A. anymore.
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stangirl
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posted 01-30-2001 10:54 PM      Profile for stangirl   Email stangirl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks to everyone for the posts. We contacted Holland America today, had a couple of conversations, and are waiting for more info. Turns out, they did charter the cruise just a couple of weeks after we booked but said that it is usually their policy to notify the passengers as well as the agent. They don't know why this wasn't done.

Our agent has taken full responsibility, even offering to teach my classes so that I can go. We can't wait. Mr. Stangirl wants to see the sun more than me.

We will keep you posted.


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Green
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posted 01-31-2001 05:50 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Delighted to hear that everything is working out for you!

ENJOY...


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stangirl
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posted 02-11-2001 08:42 AM      Profile for stangirl   Email stangirl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, it's Sunday and we still have not received our cruise documents. HAL insists they were sent. We are getting very nervous.

I guess it's time for another cruise line. Wish us luck.


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sympatico
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posted 02-11-2001 09:21 AM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by stangirl:
Well, it's Sunday and we still have not received our cruise documents. HAL insists they were sent. We are getting very nervous.

I guess it's time for another cruise line. Wish us luck.


Are you sure your TA doesn't have them? We didn't get our until about 3 days before we left as our TA was holding them, supposedly to be checking them, inserting the invitations to parties (none were held as we had 16 cancel from that cruise, leaving 9 of us in the group), excuses, excuses, etc. Finally they were delivered by a courrier. And I have used this TA for over 10 years. Check tomorrow with the TA - they are sent to her not to you.


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stangirl
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posted 02-12-2001 07:31 AM      Profile for stangirl   Email stangirl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
sympatico:

This is our fourth cruise with HAL and I know that they send the documents to the TA. She knows what we have been going through the last two weeks and I doubt that she would tell us she doesn't have the tickets when she does.

When our credit card was billed for this cruise, it was billed by HAL. Our TA has fallen on the sword for this foul up but it would have cost Holland America a stamp to notify us of the change in the fist place. We paid them directly. And a "no response" does not constitute acceptance of a cruise change. They should have asked our permission in writing before changing us to a different cruise in the first place.

Now they are giving us the run-around about the documents. We know we are booked on the airlines because we called. But we can't get on the plane without the tickets. They could have started a trace on them last Tuesday when they were late.

I know you love HAL and we do too, but there are too many cruise lines out there to put up with this worry. We will hope for the best.


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K&K
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posted 02-12-2001 09:24 AM      Profile for K&K   Email K&K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Stangirl: I know this is off the topic, but when you do get out to sea and have time maybe send us a message and let us know how things are. Kevin
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Green
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posted 02-12-2001 11:42 AM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's back to the TA - she should have been calling HAL at least a couple of weeks ago to enquire about your documents.
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gohaze
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posted 02-12-2001 01:09 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi...we had a somewhat similar thing with the tickets going astray with Princess. We were leaving on the Monday - a holiday - for Spain. Come Friday afternoon after several days of major panicking by our TA, still no tickets of any sort. At 4pm I spoke with the ticketing supervisor at Princess and he promised me a "locator #" to pick up the air ticket at the airport. That went OK, and we did a pre around Spain and boarded the ship, ALL without any papers at all.
To cap it off, they didn't come through with another "locator #" on the ship until 7pm the night before we got into New York!!!
I did write to Princess and voice my opinion, and they came back with an apology and a nice credit note which we used to advantage....especially good if you use it on a 2for1.
...peter

[This message has been edited by gohaze (edited 02-12-2001).]


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stangirl
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posted 02-13-2001 07:55 PM      Profile for stangirl   Email stangirl   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Victory! After profuse apologies from HAL we finally got our documents. Turns out, they never cut our new documents, they sent back our old stuff to our TA. HAL admits it's their mistake, but I still don't see any shipboard credits to make up for our sleepless nights and new gray hairs.

So it's off to the Westerdam, a ship we really like, for eight glorious, sun filled days. Thanks to everyone who responded to this post. Now, if only Northwest Airlines doesn't go on strike....


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colt
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posted 02-23-2001 06:57 PM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Green:
I agree. Charters do not happen at the last minute - particularly when the whole ship is to be taken over. In point of fact, it surprises me greatly that a ship of Maasdam's size could/would be chartered by a group.
Has anyone else heard of this on HAL or other Lines?

Stangirl, I'd be looking for another TA...you got lucky this time. As for the insurance, I doubt it would have covered you.

Have a great trip - east or west, sun is sun

[This message has been edited by Green (edited 01-28-2001).]


I know that the Japanese chartered the QE2 back in 1990, prior to our July crossing.



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