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nycruiser
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posted 10-24-2000 04:02 PM      Profile for nycruiser   Email nycruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did anyone else see this show on Monday night?

In this hour long program it discussed fire, sexual misconduct and medical treatment onboard ships. Unfortunately,I feel it left people with a rather bad view of the cruise industry. I only watched the last half hour of the show.


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DianaD
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posted 10-24-2000 04:45 PM      Profile for DianaD   Email DianaD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes I saw it.
I feel it was a great shame that all they could look at was the same few problems, mostly Carnivals which have happened over the past few years. My feelings are that there are Politicians with an Agenda, which is nothing new. They feel that there should be US crews working under the same rules as on land. If this happened not only would they require the cruise ship to have another one in tow for the staff, the price would finish the cruise lines. They never mentioned the likes of Princess Cruises, whose ships are registered in UK, but they classed all the ships as those of foreign registration and stating that they were not up to the standard required by the US. I do believe that British ships are up to the same standard, lets face it they are a maritime nation. Another thing is the Medical comments, I really wonder if you would get treated as fast by a Dr. in a first class hotel in a major city as you would on a cruise ship. They picked on the ships for security, I have been on Carnival and their Security was very obvious. What about resorts in the Caribbean or elsewhere. I am afraid that is the norm, negativity never a positive. I think it is a great shame that non cruisers who saw that will probably never want to cruise, what a shame, just think what they will be missing.

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Green
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posted 10-24-2000 05:23 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I watched that programme and agree completely with Diana D......it was really skewed.

The Carnival ships mentioned may hire 'less than fully qualified' medical personnel but that is not the practice of British Ships or HAL.


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Ascendancy
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posted 10-24-2000 05:43 PM      Profile for Ascendancy   Email Ascendancy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The sexual misconduct portion I had read elsewhere. This is a real occurence and this program did not sugar-coat it. Thank God.
The fact of the matter is, it is very hard to prosecute at sea. The accused employee is dropped off at the next port and that's that.

I thought the show was great as it helped us to be more aware of some of the problems on cruises, as rare as they may be. These things cannot be ignored.


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geno-r
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posted 10-24-2000 05:46 PM      Profile for geno-r   Email geno-r   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why does everybody pick on Carnival. I bet they didn't mention the recent report,that I read someplace, that talked about how the Doctor from the Tropicale played a major role in saving a person's life that was involved in that hijacked small Cuban plane that crashed in the Ocean recently. And I was onboarded the Holiday in 1994 when the ship rescued 12 Cuban people in a bunch of truck tire tubes tied together.
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Mercy
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posted 10-24-2000 06:40 PM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I saw the show last night. It didn't give us any NEW imformation. We have all heard about these things happening on cruises. They told it like it really is. There are bad things that happen on cruise ships. But considering the many cruises and people cruising each year, there are realativly few instances on the whole. But what I do not appreciate is when something bad is reported about the cruise industry, some folks, who are in the travel buisness, like DianaD,who owns a travel agency, feel threatened by TRUE reports. Isn't it better to be well informed and make your own choice as to whether you want to cruise or not? I am taking my 7th cruise in a few months, and make that choice as a well informed traveler. I don't like to be treated like some blindfolded sheep! I didn't see anything in last night's show that was false or misleading. I loved the pictures they showed of the Millennium!
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DianaD
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posted 10-24-2000 07:10 PM      Profile for DianaD   Email DianaD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mercy, I DO NOT feel threatened. I am sick and tired of being accused of feeling threatened and any other stupid comments that those who either resent their Travel Agent or resent anybody doing something they are not doing and may want to.The dislike so many of you show for people in the Travel Industry is really sad. When I think what a fun thing cruising is I sincerely hope that I dont have to sit at a table on a cruise ship with one of the rather mean people that sometimes post. This does not apply by anymeans to everyone. There are people out there that seem to enjoy being unpleasant to their fellow man, so in future before you accuse me of being self serving perhaps you should look at yourself. I watched that programme with an open mind and I honestly felt that Carnival was being handed a bad rap. They did not mention much about any of the other cruise lines. My opinion is that there are some politicians in the States that would like to change the entire cruise scene and I can assure you if that were to happen there would be very few people cruising. This of course would not necessarily bother me because I sell all kinds of travel being a full service agency.
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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 10-24-2000 07:37 PM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Haven't seen the programme here in the UK, but I'm sure it will be on one of the satellite channels soon.

It's easy for the media to pick an easy target -- and there are few easier than cruise ships -- and take a pop at them.

If it's done with a legitimate purpose, like a recent British TV exposure of airline pilots drinking before flying, backed up by solid evidence, then fair enough.

But if it was just a "could do better" attack dwelling on what service the producers ideally want rather than what they actually got, then they can cause immense, lasting damage.

Tell me, did the programme give the cruise line an opportunity to reply?


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DianaD
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posted 10-24-2000 08:14 PM      Profile for DianaD   Email DianaD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No they said they had asked Carnival but they had declined. I really agree about the British Airways pilots (I come from Britain originally so still keep up with the news)that is something people need to know.
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Mercy
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posted 10-24-2000 09:57 PM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
DianaD... I seemed to have struck a nerve?
I didn't mean my comments to be a personal attack on you. And for the record I love our travel agent, and he likes us very well, partly because we give him so much business and have sent many people his way. I did want to point out that as a travel agent, you might be more likely to not like last night's show. I do think that I have the right to my opinions without a tongue lashing from you. Just because I disagree with you, doesn't make me a mean person. Sharing different perspectives is what message boards are all about. Maybe we can all learn something.

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DianaD
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posted 10-24-2000 10:31 PM      Profile for DianaD   Email DianaD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I did not watch the programme as a Travel Agent I watched it as a cruiser. I love cruising and will be on my 14th cruise this weekend, on the Ocean Princess. While watching the programme I felt that they were rehashing a lot of old news which I felt was a little obsolite. Perhaps I am getting old, but I am truly fed up with everywhere I look (not necessarily travel) negatives. Somehow our press seems to enjoy negativity and it seems to be making a very miserable, disgruntled world. I apologise for giving you a "tongelashing" but your comments really annoyed me because what I had written had been personal and not with business in mind.
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Grant
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posted 10-24-2000 11:35 PM      Profile for Grant   Email Grant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like to read the opinions of everyone, regardless of their background. All of us here have an interest in at least one aspect of cruising, some of us in many aspects. It is definately relevant to hear of everything, good and bad, so as to be better able to make decisions appropriate for one's self. Some things that are important to one person, mean nothing to another. The bottom line is to be prepared and enjoy the voyage. I try not to dwell on the negatives, though it is very important to know what they are,and have had a wonderful time on 31 sailings-in part because I researched the ship (20 of them) and cruise line (9 in total) before sailing. This site is a wonderful resource thanks to ALL of you. Keep reading and posting!
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Mercy
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posted 10-25-2000 07:11 AM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
DianaD... Hope there is no bad feelings? You have a wonderful time on your cruise!~~~~~
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jwine
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posted 10-25-2000 09:23 AM      Profile for jwine   Email jwine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't see the program but did hear about it. My comment - what about the hotel industry? I have been in three hotel fires - no employee in any of the three hotels had any clue as to what to do in a fire; a security personnel at one hotel told us to use the elevator instead of the stairs! and the other the front desk told us it was not necessary to evacuate, but the fireman down below us were yelling at us to get out of the hotel, which we attempted to do, unfortunately none of their back up lights worked and we were in the dark, if there had been lots of smoke we would never have gotten out. We had to feel our way down the halls to the steps, and feel our way down 10 stories of dark, dark steps. I never travel without a flashlight, this time I was only going to be gone 3 nights and didn't take it - it's the first thing in my suitcase now! The best was the handicap rooms were on the top floor (14th), doesn't make much sense to me. Also, I have several widowed older clients who say they will never stay in a hotel by themselves, they do not feel safe, but will go on a cruise, I tend to agree with them. There is corruption in every industr,y. not just the cruise industry.
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jmperry1
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posted 10-25-2000 01:18 PM      Profile for jmperry1   Email jmperry1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't see the program so my comments are based on what I read here and on other boards. It sounds like it was a typical press hatchet job.

Just because everything included in a news item is true, that doesn't mean that the reporting was fair. Cruise ships are part of the real world. Like everywhere else, bad things happen. But to take all the bad things that have happened in an industry over a period of years and report it in a single hour is not balanced reporting.

How does the incidence of these bad occurrences compare to their occurrence in the general population? How about other vacation industries? Are the reported incidences common or are they isolated? How many thousands (millions?)cruise without ever experiencing these negative occurrences? Without supplying this information, even factual reporting can amount to a lie.

My own impression, based on my own limited experience and my exposure to the memories of hundreds of personal (and cyber) friends is that cruise ships are safer than most other forms of vacation (holiday for the Aussie/Canadian/Brits out there).

James

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hooked on cruising
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posted 10-25-2000 09:04 PM      Profile for hooked on cruising   Email hooked on cruising   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
GOOD FOR YOU DIANAD. I think people are really getting hooked on the internet to purchase all kinds of things but like I said before I would not consider booking through the net. I'm not saying people shouldn't but I still believe the good old fashioned TAs still have their place. You sound like such a genuine person really working for the customer. Long live the TAs
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Jules
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posted 10-27-2000 07:29 AM      Profile for Jules        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have actually been onboard a ship which went on fire and participated in the evacuation procedures . It did not go according to plan and there was a lot of panic because some of the crew (rather than passengers) did not do what they were supposed do!

The positive side to this is that the cruise company held a full formal enquiry into it, inviting customers to write, or attend the event and have input. As a result of actually listening to people who were there and not trying to cover anything up the company made a lot of very positive changes to their procedures.

Accidents can happen anywhere - it is how you then deal with them that counts.


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geno-r
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posted 10-27-2000 12:05 PM      Profile for geno-r   Email geno-r   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jules, Glad you survived the ordeal ok!! Can you give us more info. What ship was it? What started the fire? Did you return to the ship ect.?
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nycruiser
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posted 10-27-2000 12:20 PM      Profile for nycruiser   Email nycruiser   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Diana D, I watched the show as a cruiser not as a travel agent. I feel that the cruise industry already has stereotypes and a program like this just adds to the negativity many people have toward cruises.

A client of mine went to Disneyland in Cali and came back and said her pocketbook was stolen! This is supposed to be the happiest place in the world! The moral with this whole discussion is that wherever you go you need to stay on gaurd.


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Jules
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posted 10-28-2000 03:01 AM      Profile for Jules        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gen-R. The case is still sub-judicy so I do not want to mention the company or ship. The fire was an arson attack and the perpetrator is (obviously) being procecuted.

I did not return to the ship, our cabin was above the venue which was torched and was a bit of a mess! Not only that but I was suffering from smoke inhalation (I have asthma). The company put us up in a 5 star hotel until flights home could be arranged. They then paid for dry cleaning of clothes and generous compensation in addition to a full refund.

At the time I was in shock but I can laugh about it now. The fire started just before dinner so I had just had a shower and was dripping wet and my husband was in the shower when the alarm was raised. We left the cabin with just enough clothes on for decency. My husband had to drag me up the stairs as I couldn't get a breath for the smoke which black and acrid.

Up on the decks there were several people who were wet and half naked as they had been in the shower as well!

As I say I can laugh now but it was scary at the time.

I had to go on a cruise just 3 weeks later as I was going with my mum after my own summer holiday which was the best thing which could have happened - same principal as getting back on a bike when you fall off.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-28-2000 06:31 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I assume 'everyone' picks of Carnival because they represent success?

It's just like everyone picks on 'McDonalds' here in the UK and Europe. McDonalds is seen as the unstoppable corporate machine colonising the world. The funny thing is that they are not the only successful burger restaurant?


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