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Personally, I think it is disgusting to generalise those less that 18 on ships. I mean, who the hell has the right to put every single person under that age in that category? There are too many people have been stereotyped for too long and had to suffer for it, and I know how this feels as I live in Northern Ireland, and I know that there are people on this forum who feel the same way. It makes me feel physically sick.
Okay, it is true that there are many "petits merdes" who go on cruises and do not deserve to be there. But then again, there are plenty of older people who believe that they have the absolute right, sorry, duty, to be pains in the arses and make life miserable for everyone else. Do they deserve to be on cruises making vacations unenjoyable for many people? And what about "lager louts" who plan to get drunk for two weeks and be obnoxious? Do they deserve to be there?
certainly, have certain cruises which are strictly over-18 or whatever, but do not even dare suggest making every cruise out-of-bounds for people who deserve a great vacation. Many kids work damned hard these days for exams etc, and deserve as good a holiday as any brain surgeon or professional golfer and what have you. I do believe that, like with several airlines, cruise lines should have a blacklist which stops unruly passengers, of any age. But the mentalaity of "Kancel Kids 'Kause..." is really obtuse. Ageism is as serious as racism etc., and please do not lower yourself to thinking like that. would you rather share your table with a pleasant and polite 16 year old, or an obese obnoxious 56 year old?
My husband and I do not have children; therefore I do not think we would ever sail on Disney Cruise Lines; however, we have met some of the nicest, cutest, and most polite children aboard some of our sailings on other ships. I agree that spoiled, whiny children are a thorn in one's side, but I have encountered on ships a number of whiny, spoiled brats who happen to be over the age of 30.
Despite the others prejudices, I hope everyone on their cruises still have a good time.
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After the Voyager, our worst cruise was on the Statendam, where the average age was at least 75 (old and cranky 75). Not a fun group. Even the two couples we ate with (probably in the 65-70 bracket) complained about how cranky and nasty the majority of the people were. So it doesn't necessarily have to be kids to ruin a good time. Our Statendam cruise was about 6 years ago and we haven't been back on HAL since then and it will be sometime before we condsider going back on RCI.
I do agree, you can't lump all kids in one category - but having our vacation ruined by a group of them I certainly would prefer a ship without kids.
While I don't have children (and never will) I agree that it's not necessarily the kids that make the cruise bad. IT's the PARENTS that don't know how to parent properly or take the attitude that they're on vacation so the kids are not their responsibility.
My folks could never afford to take me on a cruise vacation when I was growing up. I've now had several opportunities to travel with them as an adult though which has been as much fun for them as it has been for me. I can still recall their expression when boarded our first "Superliner" with a soaring atrium. There were no words to express the looks on their faces.
I tend to be center of the fence on this issue. I choose to cruise in the fall when MOST kids are in school. There's always the families that take their kids out of school to vacation (my folks would never have dreamed of doing that). I've seen kids out of hand on a cruise and yes I've seen obnoxious adults too. Kids need and should be controlled by THEIR parents, unfortunately that's not what our society dictates today. Seems like kids and parents just do their own things and many go their own ways. I think all cruise lines could implement policies on standards of conduct and believe an adult should be the overall responsible party.
Anytime you get 1000, 2000 or 3000+ people together it's hard to set the standard because we all have different thoughts and beliefs on what's right and what's wrong.
A screaming child in an evening show should IMMEDIATELY be taken out! A loud obnoxious drunk should be quarantiened to their cabin until they sober up. Unfortunately we will continue to see these problems and there's not much anyone can or will do about it.
Just my thoughts......
I'm with Sailing...the choice is already available...cruise with Renaissance.
I first cruised when I was ten. What a magical experience it was. It began a fondness of ships and travel that I plan to share with my kids.
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