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Mercy
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posted 10-12-1999 10:40 AM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We went to a Cruise Travel show Saturday. There were representatives from all the major cruise lines there. We asked the Royal Caribbean rep a lot of questions about the Voyager of the Seas. On deck five, is the Royal Prominade. In the pictures it looks like a mall! He said they would have stores that people would find in a mall.There idea is to put brand name stores and restaurants, Johnny Rockets, that we recognise and feel comfortable with. Also he said the skating rink is mainly for ice shows. That it would only be open for a limited amount of time, while the ship was in port. And, you have to rent your skates. I really don't like the Mall trend . I told him that if I want to go to a mall, I don't have to spend thousands of dollars! What do you think?
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-12-1999 11:39 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Mercy, I completely agree with you about Voyager! However, I'm sure that RCCL have done their research well. For example, there are many enthusiastic postings on this web site about the newest and biggest ships. Big ships generate excitement, just like then did in the early 1900’s.

Judging by the ever increasing success of the new mega-ships, there are plenty of people that want to experience a vacation in a floating city - complete with a mall! In return the cruise company gain 'economies of scale' and can make bigger profits, yet offer cheaper fares.

Carnival cruise lines, for example, have enjoyed fantastic success with big and often ‘brash’ ships. However, their ships are NOT full of people who are interested in the history of Ocean Liners. They are full Mr and Mrs average, who are looking for a good time in a floating 'Las Vegas' like resort.

I think that much of the modern day success of ‘Cruise Holidays’, is due to the fact, that American’s can now visit the remotest parts of the world, yet take an increasing bigger slice of America with them. Look at the evidence: you can visit Africa, Alaska or Antarctica, yet still eat lobster tails in an air conditioned restaurant, drink Bud and watch a Broadway show each evening. A tour bus will transport you to all the tourists sites, while insulating you from the local culture. You don’t even need to exchange your dollars for foreign currency. In the tourist trade, it’s called ‘soft adventure’. In many ways it is a very comfortable experience, but it is also a little sad, in my opinion.

There always will be a market 'niche' for smaller 'classic' ships and a more traditional cruising experience. Cunard for example, specialise in the more traditional and exclusive approach. However, I think that the floating 'shopping malls' are here to stay, for a while anyway. You and I may not be booking onto the ‘Voyager’, but I’m sure that thousands will!

Malcolm

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Joe at PwC
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posted 10-12-1999 04:16 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree Mercy. If I really wanted to go to a mall, it wouldn't be while I was on vacation. Besides, the mall is only a short drive away, which would not cost me thousands, as you say. But of course, just because that isn't my cup of tea, that doesn't mean that thousands of others won't like it. I guess I'll have to get a higher-paying job so that I could afford to go on the new Queen Mary, when and if it's built.
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MagnmPI
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posted 10-13-1999 02:05 PM      Profile for MagnmPI     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am a fan of the mega ships. I love being on a big ship and watching my ship steal everyone's attention on shore from other ships as we pull into port. I don't want to see cruises turn into floating malls either, but I will hold my criticism of Voyager of the Seas until after I see her for myself on Nov. 28th.
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Darrell
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posted 10-13-1999 03:26 PM      Profile for Darrell   Email Darrell   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, I have to reply to this one. I agree with many points here, mainly MagnmPI. There is a place in my heart for both old and new. There is something to the great engineering marvels of 100,000+ ton ships. As well as a fascinating history to the older liners. As posted on this site, I once asked the favorite ship you have sailed, and the ship you most want to sail. As an answer to the last question, I am dying to sail the NORWAY, and equally dying to sail the VOYAGER. "Oh, my god!" some of you are gasping now, "How could you?". Well, they are great in their own right. As for the mall thing... You buy Jewelry and Sweatshirts on Cunard don't you. Is that an absoulute necessity on a cruise? NO, so why not be able to get that new swimsuit to wear up on deck at the Gap on deck 6 Promenade? I admit, the Jonny Rockets thing is kinda repulsive, and lacks imagination. However, it will entertain some kids, and a few who were teens in that era. All in all, there is enough ocean for all kinds of ships. By the way, RCL- lose the advertisement on the side... Leave mobile billboards for the low cost Airlines. Happy cruising all.

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Mercy
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posted 10-13-1999 09:02 PM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't want to get the impression that I don't like the Mega ships. I love them. That's why I'm finding out about the Voyager. I don't however, like the Las Vegas style decorating on some of the Carnival ships. I just recently sailed on Carnival's Elation. And it got to be too much at times.
What worries me is the traditions of cruising going away.The Grand Buffet being eliminated on Princess ships for one. A woman on our last cruise, said that when she sailed in the past, they always had fireworks one night of the cruise. That would have been nice. Are we going to say one day, remember when you didn't have to pay for food on a cruise! Or remember when they used to have Grand Midnight Buffets!

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Darrell
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posted 10-14-1999 03:12 PM      Profile for Darrell   Email Darrell   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speaking of the decline in tradition.....

I just got a new promotional piece of literature from CUNARD titled "ADVANCING CIVILIZATION SINCE 1840". As a part of the current multi-million dollar renovations, they are making changes. One of which -- OPENING A HARROD'S on board the QE2! That is definately a shopping mall effect. I am sure it will be much larger than the average onboard store. What do you guys think??


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MagnmPI
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posted 10-14-1999 04:18 PM      Profile for MagnmPI     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Harrod's on the QE2, wow. I don't know how the QE2 is setup but a store like Harrod's can take the place of all the tiny shipboard shops or it could be like the one at Heathrow, and sell souveineirs.
Yeah Mercy it is kinda sad when the room service menu has more hot food than the midnite buffet. It looks like the Grand Buffets from yesterday have turned into the alternate dining room buffets of today. I'm kinda tired of cold cuts & cheese arranged next to an ice carving. But I do like the all day buffet in the alternate dining room. I just wish we could have both.

As for Carnival, I have seen their brochures. The pictures of the public rooms don't look too appealing.


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Mercy
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posted 10-14-1999 10:38 PM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Darrell...
I don't like it! As you may have guessed by my first post. I like to buy things on vacation that I can't get anywhere by where I live. If I can buy it at home. Why bother packing it back home on the plane?

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Will
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posted 10-15-1999 12:48 PM      Profile for Will   Email Will   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought that Harrods was always on the QE2. Maybe it was removed and they are now bringing it back.
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Ascendancy
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posted 10-15-1999 02:49 PM      Profile for Ascendancy   Email Ascendancy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who doesn't like to shop? The larger the ship, the more options it offers, period.
If this mall is anything like the Centrums on their (RCCL) other ships, great. Yes, there are new things on the shelves every day. You always have time before and after dinner to check them out. I'm all for more options on things to do. A bigger and better shopping opportunity, yeah count me in!

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-15-1999 06:28 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was a Harrods on the QE2 a few years back. (There was only two - one in Knightsbridge London and one at sea on the QE2). I understand that It was not a particularly sucsessful partnership, so they replaced it with their own shop selling Cunard brand goods (T-shirts etc). The QE2's Harrods was not very big.

I'm not aware that they are bringing it back?


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Green
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posted 10-15-1999 06:35 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was a time when on board shopping was wonderful - merchandise was, more or less, duty free. Those days are long gone. A good example is perfume - costs more on board than at the airport Duty Free Shop - for us Canadians,taking into account the US exchange rate, it's cheaper to buy at home. Anything we bought would have to be something very special - never seem to have time to try out all the activities on board so shopping is not a priority - I'm not talking mega-ships - have never sailed one. Don't relish going ashore with 2,998 other passengers. We'll stay with the 75,000 'small' ships!
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Darrell
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posted 10-15-1999 06:55 PM      Profile for Darrell   Email Darrell   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcom--- It was just posted in a piece of literature mailed to Travel Agents in the US.

On a page titled "LONG LIVE THE QUEEN" I quote, "..as part of the Queen Elizabeth 2's refurbishment, England's most famous purveyor of all things good, Harrods, will open on board with at selection of the fine merchandise which has made their U.K. shops the benchmark for luxury shopping."

I don't really know what size shop/store, however I bet it will be fairly large, as to sell the "English Experience" at sea. And to produce more on board revenue $$.

And by the way, I'm not really sure if I like this Shopping Mall, thing that much, I do like the idea of having a new area to stroll upon, new activies- ice skating shows, tv broadcast from on the ship by passengers, street performers, rock climbing, etc. There will always be a demand for new activities and distractions. However, I do not find JOHNNY ROCKETS charming. You will find me on Voyager one day, but you will NOT find me in JOHNNY ROCKETS! What next, Taco Bell and Dunkin Donuts??

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Joe at PwC
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posted 10-18-1999 02:45 PM      Profile for Joe at PwC   Email Joe at PwC   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll put a bet in on White Castle. ;-)
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Barryboat
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posted 10-19-1999 01:35 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When I worked on the QE-2 in 1992 there was a Harrods on One Deck just forward of midship. In the brochure it now says "Cunard Collection Shop". I suppose Cunard is bringing back Harrods and for marketing purposes they are making a big deal about it. I seem to remeber the Queen mary in Long Beach briefly having a Harrods onboard - I don't know if it's still there.

I just don't understand why so many people are against Voyager of the Seas having a Johnny Rockets onboard. It's kind of a novelty to have the fifties burger place on the ship. I live 10 minutes from one of the largest malls in the country, The Mall of America here in Minneapolis and they have a Johnny Rockets. Lighten up everyone - The VOTS is such a BIG ship they have room to put in a franchised malt & Burger shop - I think passengers will enjoy it. By the way there have been franchises on cruise ships for years - The Steiners, the Casino, the photographers...these are all concessions, why not a popular burger shop? I think they really should put in an Inn & Out Burger place over Johnny Rockets, because I think they have better burgers but that's all I have to say about that.

Think of the VOTS as a BIG experiment for building even bigger ships...

I like the the smaller classic ships too, in fact I just got off a seven day cruise aboard the SeaBreeze which was wonderful. In Cozumel we docked right next to the Disney Wonder and the contrast in size was funny - that little SeaBreeze was such a tiny ship next to that big Wonder. Most of the people on the SeaBreeze were looking over at the Wonder, wondering what it would be like and how much it would cost to go on a ship like that.

I am planning to go on the VOTS sometime in March of 2000, because I want to experience REALLY BIG!!! BIGGER THAN THE QUEEN MARY wow. I would love be on the VOTS in really rough seas that would be interesting.


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Green
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posted 10-19-1999 08:09 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Barryboat, Guess you have to be American to know that Johnny Rockets is/was a 'burger place! With that knowledge it's not surprising that so many posters are against the idea. Why on earth would you take a cruise and then buy hamburgers? A hamburger is a hamburger is a hamburger - some better than others. Don’t get me wrong, I sometimes enjoy a hamburger or taco for lunch on board – HAL cooks them to order on the Lido Deck – no extra charge. Our favourite ‘burger is made by a local Ma & Pa place

A Harrod’s store I can understand - the green and gold logo recognized the world over - few people visit London and bypass Harrod’s - even if they only buy a deck of cards. Incidentally, they had a big, beautiful store at Lester B. Pearson Airport, Toronto, Canada (Terminal 3) - closed about 2 years ago for lack of customers - the store not the terminal. Will watch with interest to see how things develop.
Happy cruisin'


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Barryboat
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posted 10-20-1999 10:16 AM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Burgers for many is a comfort food, and there is nothing better than a real good burger. Having worked onboard the QE-2 and the Song of America and the Zentih, I have yet to experience a real good burger on a cruise ship - they just don't make them quite as good - When I had a chance to go ashore, I would always run to the nearest Burger King or McDonalds to get a decent burger.
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Mercy
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posted 10-20-1999 11:16 AM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, lets just all stay home and eat burgers and go to the mall! It's a lot cheaper.
When I went to Paris, I didn't eat at the Mc Donalds there either. I wanted to have a different experience than what I was used to. Same idea. Of course the minute I got home I headed straight for Burger King too!


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Paddy
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posted 10-20-1999 01:44 PM      Profile for Paddy   Email Paddy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have done two cruise - one ship 16600 grt and the other 23200grt. The VOTS is 10 times bigger than these ships, which I loved. I like the small ships as they are more intimate, and it is easier to find your new friends for one thing. "Meet me tomorrow at the pool" bcomes very confusing with 6 pools.

I do love these small ships and am planning to go on Sunbird next year, but I really think that is big enough for a ship.

It would be nice though to have a BigMac after all that gourmet cuisine. But, does the Johnny Rockets no VOTC charge extra?
I would also like a six deck atrium, but not like Carnival-more neon there than in a Chrysler factory.


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Green
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posted 10-20-1999 02:39 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mercy - WELL SAID.
With lots of deep fried onion rings, please

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-20-1999 03:19 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One of the factors that the owners of the Mega-ships often emphasise is more ‘choice’ onboard. They say that you can choose to have Burgers or Coq au vin.

I personally like both. On a 13 day Celebrity cruise, I occasionally got fed up with the very 'fancy' food and choose something really simple! Each to his own, I say!


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posted 10-20-1999 03:26 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Paddy
Don't know if VOTS/Johnny Rockets will charge for burgers - woulld seem very likely if the name is to the fore.

See Mercy's post on Cruise Ships board re sports activities.

Cheers


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Mercy
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posted 10-20-1999 03:32 PM      Profile for Mercy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No Charge for the burgers.
This is a little off topic. I just read that the Royal Prominade is longer than a football field! Can you Imagine?

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