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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Is that the same storm that blew out the bridge windows? It seems that those two ships are not the best riding ships around today. It there a problem w/there hull design?

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In 2001 I cruised on Olympia voyager for a week from Athens to Venice, Korfu, Santorini, Istanbul, Rhodes and back to Athens. The last night was rather bumpy and it became very evident she was nto a terribly good seaship.

We had a good time even though it was not outstanding. So no surprise Rolyal Olympia went bust.
I was a nice ship but somehow something was missing.

So as I said, those vessels are very flat and we would expect them to have a better sea keeping ability than other cruise ships. Actually, it seems to be all the contrary. Ernst already explained us many times that height had almost nothing to do with stability. I've read those Olympia ships hull were designed mainly to allow high speeds with minimal fuel consumption. Perhaps the element sacrified in the process was stability (?).

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Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
It would be interesting to see footage like that of QM2 in extreme seas.

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
I think both QE2 and QM2 would just continue to charge along at 25 knots in those seas.

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I suspect that they would have to slow down for reasons of passenger comfort!

[ 03-28-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]

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Originally posted by Brian_O:
The "storm" just doesn't look that bad. Perhaps the ship is not a good sea boat.

Brian

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Originally posted by Pascal:

We have to consider the fact that this footage was taken while this ship was adrift, completely dead in the water with no power (the bridge windows were crushed, the computers and other systems were flooded). A ship whithout propulsion is defenseless against the waves.

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Exactly! Even QM2 and QE2 would bob around like a cork if they were stranded in very rough seas with no power. Not a good situation for any ship to be in.

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Properly speaking, there are no cyclones in the Med. There are storms, sometimes huge storms as violent as some hurricanes, but fortunately no cyclones.

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Pascal, you are correct that there are no tropical cyclones in the Med, however the term cyclone can apply to any circulating low pressure system. I had just copied headline from the video. Given the wave heights being described as 10m I'd say it was about a force 10 "storm" on the Beaufort scale. Anyway enough semantics. Having been through and enjoyed a similar storm on the old Veendam in 70s I'm not sure I would have had enjoyment if we'd lost propulsion. I found this article on the BBC that gives a nice account of the Voyager incident.

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Originally posted by 6263866:
Remember that Voyager is a relativly small ship at around 50,00 tons I believe

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[ 03-29-2007: Message edited by: Waynaro ]

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Originally posted by Brian_O:
The "storm" just doesn't look that bad. Perhaps the ship is not a good sea boat.

Brian

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Originally posted by recab:

The Grand Voyager (ex Voyager) is 24391 GT. But size has nothing to do with the pictures. As Pascal and eroller says "without propulsion a ship is defenseless". I have been onboard a ship more than five times bigger than the Voyager, when we had to stop engines in the middle of a storm and I can assure you that we were rolling.

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Great example. It really doesn't matter how great a ship handles when moving if it has lost all power. Hulls and stabilizers are all designed based on the fact a ship is moving, not standing still. The largest and best seaboat in the world will bob like a cork and roll tremendously if caught in the same conditions that Voyager found herself in with no power.

Rotterdam was also tossed about in this manner when she lost power in the back end of a hurricane, for even longer IIRC, some 3 years ago. But I don't think there was anyone on hand to take such a video. Just as many people were injured.. there is nothing to stop the cork scenario with no power

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Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:

I agree. These ships apparently are not the best sea boats w/their unique high speed hulls and shallow draft.

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Actually, they have a draft of 7.3 m, which is quite deep for their size (Compare it to an R-class, which has nearly identical L and B, but T=5.8 m).

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Originally posted by PamM:
Trials or tests of some sort maybe.

Pam

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