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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-01-2006 05:52 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While browsing through some of Aleksi's excellent photos on Shipspotting.com, I was glad to see that the great Greek tradition of pressing anything that floats into service as a ferry is alive and well.

I'm amazed, that with few exceptions, the bulk of the Greek ferry fleet is comprised of all the ferries that Japan, northern Europe and just about everyone else no longer considers viable.

On a brighter note, I am heartened to see an influx of 80's tonnage which means they are operating ferries from the last two decades of the last century.

What an amazing industry!

Tim


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PamM
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posted 07-01-2006 06:09 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
..maybe, but is not Greece the only country imposing an age limit on its vessels? 35 currently, set to reduce to 30 by 2009 I think.. or someone correct me.

Pam


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posted 07-02-2006 04:54 AM      Profile for finn-yards     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:


all the ferries that Japan, northern Europe and just about everyone else no longer considers viable.

they are operating ferries from the last two decades of the last century.

What an amazing industry!

Tim


You should also look at the BC ferries fleet and their ferries age Yeah, I know its not US company but there arent any ferries in US so i couldn´t give a better example


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posted 07-02-2006 07:42 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are ferrries in the U.S. - talking about age www.ssbadger.com .....
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J.S.S.Normandie
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posted 07-02-2006 11:30 AM      Profile for J.S.S.Normandie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:
I was glad to see that the great Greek tradition of pressing anything that floats into service as a ferry is alive and well.


Tim


Here!!! Another Ferry!!! Hurry!!!


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Tim Agg
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posted 07-02-2006 08:43 PM      Profile for Tim Agg     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Washington State Ferry system also features ships that match the BC Ferries fleet for "age and stage." They are surprisingly sturdy and reliable, but both fleets needa major building program.
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posted 07-03-2006 04:00 PM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello all,

I must say that after looking through Finnish eyes of the whole Greek ferry scene during the years, I still can't be any other than amazed of some of the "material" they buy years after years... A good example is the PANAGIA SOUMELA, ex-LADY OF MANN, built in 1976. Surely the only country in Europe who wants a ferry so old is Greece. Other options are North Korea for service and Aliaga & Alang scrapyards.

I could understand it, if they used her 'as is', but the Greeks always want to do a proper conversion, which usually takes some 10 months... I just keep wondering, how all this is financially possible and rational. The yards in Perama, for example, must be really cheap and that is why the conversions always take a long time. If the same conversion of Lady of Mann was done at a Finnish yard, it would take a max three months, in my estimation. I'm not saying all this in a negative meaning, quite the opposite, because I love the old vessels they buy and that's why I keep returning there again and again! And we must remember that there have been some purchases of newer ships, like ALKYONI, THEOLOGOS P. and THESSALONIKI... So some obvious development can definitely be seen!

Brgds,
Aleksi


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Ernst
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posted 07-03-2006 04:04 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BTW - any news on the fate of Finnjet?
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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-03-2006 06:06 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for all the replies and insights, I'm not ferry well versed in this sector of the indystry (stop groaning at my painful pun), and I'm continually fascinated and amazed.

Aleksi - special thanks as it was all of your photgraphs that sparked this recent fascination.

With the way that cruise industry can not stop building new and larger ships and the way that the Northern Europeans continually renew their tonnage, the Greek scene is utterly fascinating.

There doesn't seem to be a vessel they won't buy and as Aleksi mentioned, put through a "thorough" conversion.

When you think about it, it's truly ingenious especially given the fact that most of this is done at backwater docks with no proper shipyard facilities. Hearkens back to the days of the old Chandris conversions when creativity and ingenuity were greater assets than currency!

Ernst-at last sighting, Finnjet was laid up in Freeport as she has finished her charter in Baton Rouge at the beginning of June.

Tim


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Ernst
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posted 07-03-2006 06:08 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the reply. It would be funny to see the Finnjet as a Greece ferry. Has anyone pictures from Freeport?
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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 07-03-2006 06:14 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
Thanks for the reply. It would be funny to see the Finnjet as a Greece ferry. Has anyone pictures from Freeport?

Considering she can be had for about $15 million, I wouldn't be surprised to see Louis pick her up. That would make her the ULTIMATE in Greek ferries!

Tim


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PamM
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posted 07-03-2006 06:46 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AJL:
Other options are North Korea for service and Aliaga & Alang scrapyards.

Do not the Greeks do a good sideline in chartering the more ancient vessels to rather dubious N African and Red Sea operators?

Pam


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AJL
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posted 07-04-2006 01:53 AM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam, that is indeed right, though usually they seem to survive there only a couple of months so it's more like a stop-in-between on the way to Alang.
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posted 07-07-2006 02:38 AM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We must not forget that some greek companies such as Minoan lines, Blue Star or Anek, have built since 10 years impressive modern and fast ships.
But there's something I really don't get with this greek market : the "camping onbard" class.

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