Log In | Customer Support
Home Book Travel Destinations Hotels Cruises Air Travel Community Search:

Search

Search CruisePage

Book a Cruise
- CruiseServer
- Search Caribbean
- Search Alaska
- Search Europe
- 888.700.TRIP

Book Online
Cruise
Air
Hotel
Car
Cruising Area:

Departure Date:
Cruise Length:

Price Range:

Cruise Line:

Buy Stuff

Reviews
- Ship Reviews
- Dream Cruise
- Ship of the Month
- Reader Reviews
- Submit a Review
- Millennium Cruise

Community
- Photo Gallery
- Join Cruise Club
- Cruise News
- Cruise News Archive
- Cruise Views
- Cruise Jobs
- Special Needs
- Maritime Q & A
- Sea Stories

Industry
- New Ship Guide
- Former Ships
- Port Information
- Inspection Scores
- Shipyards
- Ship Cams
- Ship Tracking
- Freighter Travel
- Man Overboard List
- Potpourri

Shopping
- Shirts & Hats
- Books
- Videos

Contact Us
- Reservations
- Mail
- Feedback
- Suggest-a-Site
- About Us

Reader Sites
- PamM's Site
- Ernst's Site
- Patsy's Site
- Ben's Site
- Carlos' Site
- Chris' Site
- SRead's Site


Cruise Travel - Cruise Talk
Cruise Talk Cruise News

Welcome to Cruise Talk the Internet's most popular discussion forum dedicated to cruising. Stop by Cruise Talk anytime to post a message or find out what your fellow passengers and industry insiders are saying about a particular ship, cruise line or destination.

>>> Reader Reviews
>>> CruisePage.com Photo Gallery
>>> Join Our Cruise Club.

Latest News...Seabourn Quest has returned to service following the most comprehensive interior refurbishment ever undertaken on a Seabourn vessel, with updates spanning suites, public areas, dining venues and the spa. The project, completed during a recent drydock, introduces redesigned spaces intended to create a more contemporary and residential onboard environment...

Latest News...Royal Caribbean International’s Voyager of the Seas has begun its inaugural Alaska season following its arrival at the Port of Seattle in May. The deployment marks the first time the Voyager-class ship has operated in the region since entering service in 1999. Through early October, the 3,430-passenger vessel is sailing a series of seven-night itineraries from Seattle. Two routes are being...

Latest News...Carnival Cruise Line has introduced a new pool area and updated brand identity for Isla Tropicale, its exclusive destination in Roatán, Honduras. The new Mangrove Bay complex adds 48,000 square feet of recreational space at the center of the destination, marking the latest phase of development at the site formerly known as Mahogany Bay. Mangrove Bay features a large pool with a swim-up bar, a dedicated splash...

More Cruise News...


Post New Topic  Post A Reply
my profile | register | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Cruise Talk   » Technically Speaking   » Bow shape of the future?

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Bow shape of the future?
AleksNorway
First Class Passenger
Member # 5612

posted 07-21-2007 06:05 AM      Profile for AleksNorway   Email AleksNorway      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
X bow: higher speed in bad weather, less fuelconsumption and less vibrations, pitching and rolling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaaVeBkeJZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aX5Arv-5vw&mode=related&search=

Do you think this will be a part of the next generations of cruiseshipdesign?

http://bourbon-online.com/Bourbon-Orca,459

Reguards
Aleksander

[ 07-21-2007: Message edited by: AleksNorway ]


Posts: 33 | From: Norway | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged
lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 07-21-2007 02:09 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well it's not the most attractive bow but then again exterior beauty is not the number one concern today for cruise ship owners. It looks like the entire bow is one giant bulb-above and below the water line and there is no foredeck needed for water to wash away.
If some think NCLA's Pride of America has a stubby forecastle I can imagine was a cruise ship of the future may have.

Posts: 7654 | From: Hollywood Hills/L.A. | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged
Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 07-21-2007 03:13 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow...they have invented a way to make modern cruise ships look even more ugly!

If a few years time we will be saying "they don't build them like 'Pirde of America' anymore".


Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
Pascal
First Class Passenger
Member # 5510

posted 07-21-2007 03:21 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is atrociously ugly.
Posts: 1371 | From: Aix en Provence | Registered: Mar 2005  |  IP: Logged
PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 07-21-2007 05:43 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Updated Kalakala. She also looks like a submarine rather than a surface vessel. Watching the comparison video it appears as if she actually pitches more. A curious shape indeed; I would not call her ugly though [nor pretty].

Pam


Posts: 12176 | From: Cambridge, UK | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 07-21-2007 11:44 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There have already been a number of design studies applying this bow to passenger ships. here is one example:


Posts: 1685 | From: Chicago, Illinois | Registered: Jul 99  |  IP: Logged
AleksNorway
First Class Passenger
Member # 5612

posted 07-22-2007 04:55 AM      Profile for AleksNorway   Email AleksNorway      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Watching the comparison video it appears as if she actually pitches more. [nor pretty].

Pam[/QB]


She is pitching more than the red vessel in that video, because the speed is higher and the frequensy of waves that hits the ship is higher. The movement up and down in the same waves is not the same.


I think the ship in Faiskys picture look very good


Posts: 33 | From: Norway | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged
PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 07-22-2007 05:11 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AleksNorway:
I think the ship in Faiskys picture look very good

TGV on water

Pam


Posts: 12176 | From: Cambridge, UK | Registered: Jun 2001  |  IP: Logged
Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 07-22-2007 05:32 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More:


Posts: 1685 | From: Chicago, Illinois | Registered: Jul 99  |  IP: Logged
Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 07-23-2007 04:14 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It kind of looks like the Queen Marys stern going backwards...
Posts: 2327 | From: Pasadena just north of Queen Mary | Registered: Sep 2006  |  IP: Logged
lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 07-23-2007 08:20 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
It kind of looks like the Queen Marys stern going backwards...

It also looks a little a bow of a late 19th Century naval ship.

From the side elevation the verticle bow looks similar to liners of the early 20th Century and completely different to the curved clipper style bows we have become use to.


Posts: 7654 | From: Hollywood Hills/L.A. | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged
bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 07-30-2007 08:37 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I might have to say "goodbye" to my beloved conventional bulbous bow...

******

Cheers


Posts: 6866 | From: Adelaide, Australia | Registered: Feb 2004  |  IP: Logged
Cambodge
First Class Passenger
Member # 906

posted 08-23-2007 09:54 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Fairsky's underway rendering, there appears to be a slight reverse slant to the bow, similar to late 19th early 20th century warships, which usually had a ram in place. Is this intentional? Not the ram, the backslant.
Posts: 2149 | From: St. Michaels MD USA , the town that fooled the British! | Registered: Nov 1999  |  IP: Logged
Frosty 4
First Class Passenger
Member # 5826

posted 08-31-2007 02:01 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reminds me of an ice skate. Might be good in the Antartic cruises!
F4

Posts: 2531 | From: Illinois | Registered: Jul 2005  |  IP: Logged
Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 08-31-2007 02:41 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Still maybe the design will save fuel and the cruise lines will generously pass on the savings to the passengers.

[ 08-31-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
DAMBROSI
First Class Passenger
Member # 100

posted 09-03-2007 09:52 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It reminds me of a bullet train. I want a cruise ship, not a bullet train. I'll take the originals my late husband and I used to sail on that are now just about all gone. At least, I did'nt mind the pitch and roll. Nor did the sound of the wood creaking bothered me in the least bit. Nope, I'll take the older ones any day.
Posts: 2554 | From: Florida, USA, Where the Legend SS NORWAY sailed from. Moving back to FL next yr. | Registered: May 99  |  IP: Logged
Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 09-06-2007 05:15 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Still maybe the design will save fuel and the cruise lines will generously pass on the savings to the passengers.

[ 08-31-2007: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


Generously to there own pockets

The rendering looks great this is not a bad evolution in cruise ship design. The shipping industry is alway looking fore economical ships to operate. This is just another step. And not bad at al. The whole vessel looks sleek and actually very powerful.

Greetings Ben.


Posts: 4695 | From: Rotterdam home of the tss. Rotterdam. | Registered: May 2003  |  IP: Logged
Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 09-07-2007 12:30 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now I understand why some of you love liners and not cruise ships.

Aker has been experimenting with prototypes and this bow shape for a while, I have never liked this, it makes the ship look like a train instead of a ship.


Posts: 1325 | From: Miami, Florida (Cruise Capital of the World) | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged
joe at travelpage
Administrator
Member # 622

posted 09-07-2007 02:27 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
Now I understand why some of you love liners and not cruise ships.

Aker has been experimenting with prototypes and this bow shape for a while, I have never liked this, it makes the ship look like a train instead of a ship.


Carlos,

I you really want to get a job designing ships I think you may need to open up your mind to some of these newer concepts. Other than the model builders, no one is building ships that look like they did in the old days (...10 years ago even).

Joe at TravelPage.com


Posts: 29976 | From: Great Falls, Virginia | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 09-07-2007 03:00 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by joe at travelpage:

Carlos,

I you really want to get a job designing ships I think you may need to open up your mind to some of these newer concepts. Other than the model builders, no one is building ships that look like they did in the old days (...10 years ago even).

Joe at TravelPage.com


I agree - you seem to have talent and passion about designing ships - but don't limit yourself to look at other ships (that have been built) and variations of them - to come up with something new you should reach out to completely different topics. (and I do not only mean architecture in general)


Posts: 9746 | From: Eindhoven | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged
Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 09-10-2007 08:01 AM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by joe at travelpage:

Carlos,

I you really want to get a job designing ships I think you may need to open up your mind to some of these newer concepts. Other than the model builders, no one is building ships that look like they did in the old days (...10 years ago even).

Joe at TravelPage.com


I understand, .

I have some pretty futuristic design ideas, but I try to limit myself to the near future, and I wouldn't like to design a ship that looks like a tennis shoe or a spaceship. Ship designers also have to think about cost and many other factors that mandate over design.

Thanks for the advice and I always learn more.


Posts: 1325 | From: Miami, Florida (Cruise Capital of the World) | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged
Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 09-10-2007 10:50 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
Ship designers also have to think about cost and many other factors that mandate over design.

Yes, naval architects are given a very tight 'brief' and are required to design what the customer requires. I believe Payne's first designs for the QM2 did not incorporate any balconies for example, but Micky Arison insisted.

Joe Farcus was once asked if he actually liked his own interior designs. He replied "It doesn’t matter, as long as Mr. Arison likes them".


Posts: 19210 | From: Essex (Just Outside London) | Registered: A Long Time Ago!  |  IP: Logged
Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 09-10-2007 11:14 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All designers have to work within technical, financial and legal limitations - in the case of ships it's 'just' more severe.

It's easy to make a nice drawing and it's easy to come up with a practical solution - the difficult part is to make an aesthetically pleasing AND functional design that is in compliance with regulations and affordable.


Posts: 9746 | From: Eindhoven | Registered: Jan 2005  |  IP: Logged

All times are ET (US)  

Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | CruisePage

Infopop Corporation
Ultimate Bulletin BoardTM 6.1.0.3

VACATION & CRUISE SPECIALS
Check out these great deals from CruisePage.com

Royal Caribbean - Bahamas Getaway from $129 per person
Description: Experience the beautiful ports of Nassau and Royal Caribbean's private island - CocoCay on a 3-night Weekend Getaway to the Bahamas. Absorb everything island life has to offer as you snorkel with the stingrays, parasail above the serene blue waters and walk the endless white sand beaches. From Miami.
Carnival - 4-Day Bahamas from $229 per person
Description: Enjoy a wonderful 3 Day cruise to the fun-loving playground of Nassau, Bahamas. Discover Nassau, the capital city as well as the cultural, commercial and financial heart of the Bahamas. Meet the Atlantic Southern Stingrays, the guardians of Blackbeard's treasure.
NCL - Bermuda - 7 Day from $499 per person
Description: What a charming little chain of islands. Walk on pink sand beaches. Swim and snorkel in turquoise seas. Take in the historical sights. They're stoically British and very quaint. Or explore the coral reefs. You can get to them by boat or propelled by fins. You pick. Freestyle Cruising doesn't tell you where to go or what to do. Sure, you can plan ahead, or decide once onboard. After all, it's your vacation. There are no deadlines or must do's.
Holland America - Eastern Caribbean from From $599 per person
Description: White sand, black sand, talcum soft or shell strewn, the beaches of the Eastern Caribbean invite you to swim, snorkel or simply relax. For shoppers, there's duty-free St. Thomas, the Straw Market in Nassau, French perfume and Dutch chocolates on St. Maarten. For history buffs, the fascinating fusion of Caribbean, Latin and European cultures. For everyone, a day spent on HAL's award winning private island Half Moon Cay.
Celebrity - 7-Night Western Mediterranean from $549 per person
Description: For centuries people have traveled to Europe to see magnificent ruins, art treasures and natural wonders. And the best way to do so is by cruise ship. Think of it - you pack and unpack only once. No wasted time searching for hotels and negotiating train stations. Instead, you arrive at romantic ports of call relaxed, refreshed and ready to take on the world.
Holland America - Alaska from From $499 per person
Description: Sail between Vancouver and Seward, departing Sundays on the ms Statendam or ms Volendam and enjoy towering mountains, actively calving glaciers and pristine wildlife habitat. Glacier Bay and College Fjord offer two completely different glacier-viewing experiences.

| Home | About Us | Suggest-a-Site | Feedback | Contact Us | Privacy |
This page, and all contents, are � 1995-2021 by Interactive Travel Guides, Inc. and/or its suppliers. All rights reserved.
TravelPage.com is a trademark of Interactive Travel Guides, Inc.
Powered by